T O P
keyintherock

>the attackers had accused the manager of blasphemy for tearing down a poster with Islamic holy verses. >"The factory workers tortured the manager," said provincial government spokesman Hassan Khawar. Surely torture is a worse sin than blasphemy?


Smith609060

>Surely torture is a worse sin than blasphemy? You're assuming religious extremists (in this case specifically Muslim extremists) have the braincells, nor ethics to care about killing someone for something as inconsequential as a poster removal.


bonesofberdichev

These were normal people. Factory workers. Hardly what you'd call extremists. The truth is the majority of Muslims favor death for blasphemy.


lexiekon

You would think, but that means you're thinking, which is not part of religion. For old times' sake: https://www.theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-1819566178/amp


AmputatorBot

It looks like you shared an AMP link. These should load faster, but AMP is controversial because of [concerns over privacy and the Open Web](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ehrq3z/why_did_i_build_amputatorbot). Maybe check out **the canonical page** instead: **[https://www.theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-1819566178](https://www.theonion.com/god-angrily-clarifies-dont-kill-rule-1819566178)** ***** ^(I'm a bot | )[^(Why & About)](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/ehrq3z/why_did_i_build_amputatorbot)^( | )[^(Summon: u/AmputatorBot)](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmputatorBot/comments/cchly3/you_can_now_summon_amputatorbot/)


semiomni

The more apt one in this case is probably the "No one was killed over this image" onion article.


[deleted]

[удалено]


Farts_McGee

Yikes man. Not only is that incorrect, but it seems pretty openly bigoted.


NameInCrimson

Are you joking?


no_one_likes_u

Hindus kill Muslims pretty often in India. Christians kill non-Christians fairly often in the Christian parts of Africa. I'm sure there are plenty more examples of these religions and others, but those are 2 things that I can remember off the top of my head.


RollerDude347

Your kidding right?


Raetekusu

That has got to be the statement with the most impossible combination of being wondrously ignorant, maliciously bigoted, and just plain idiotic that I have seen in some years.


wayoverthereland

In their minds, violence against those who have trespassed their religious law is justified, even laudable.


[deleted]

Not when it is in service of god. God likes people who kill others in his name.


hurtinlocker

Not in Islam, no.


SpinningHead

Good thing Christians never support torture.


Renxer0002

No one who has humanity doesn't support the wrong thing.


BluePandaCafe94-6

The Bible contains many immoral verses that are seized upon by followers as justification for horrible actions. See: the Slave's Bible. But we're talking about Islam, and your comment is obvious whataboutism.


circumsalot

If you don't disagree with his comment why does your first sentence seem to try and convince him...of something you both agree on? (His comment was sarcasm)


stellar-cunt

He agreed because any mention of the faults of Islam has people seem defensive by pointing out the faults of Christianity. He just cleared up is point, and doesn’t like whataboutism’s.


BluePandaCafe94-6

It might have something to do with the whataboutism I mentioned.


circumsalot

When I call out whataboutism, I don't try to convince the person of something that we both agree on in the first place. Just say it's whataboutism.


BluePandaCafe94-6

I was dispelling any sarcasm first and foremost, as that doesn't work well over text, especially not on this topic. And then came the very clear criticism of the whataboutism. If all you're going to do now is nitpick the way I word my posts, I think we're done here.


SpinningHead

He was specifically singling out Islam as if it is an anomaly. If you want to shit all over religion and hypocrisy in general, Im all in.


JobbieJob

Are you seriously still trotting this bullshit out? Modern Muslim Extremism will just get a pass for all eternity because Christianity did shit that happened before the advent of electricity? You're not helping Islam, you're making it out to be as fucking retarded as it's critics think it to be...backwards...illogical...and STUCK IN BIBLICAL TIMES....A religion that is struggling to acclimate to modern standards of civility...an embarrassment to the ethnic group it represents...how do you not understand this? Christianity uses shame quite frequently, but Islam's version of shame really doesn't know where to fit in civil society does it?


Tidorith

I mean, the US was led in the 21st century by an avowed Christian who had a torture program run under his tenure. This isn't exactly ancient history.


JobbieJob

War vs what? Fill in the blank...


LightRefrac

That's a bad comparison.


Commentariot

Christians just killed a million civilians in Iraq because Donald Rumsfeld thought it would play well with southern morons - and he was right. All these religous people are a threat to themselves and others - I would have torn that fucking poster down too.


JobbieJob

Damn I knew someone was gonna pull the war pony out. You guys all are stuck in Freshman Poli Sci....it's insane..


S4ngin

Yes, other religions do the same. This isn't about another religion though. Do you say this about Islam when the story is about Christians doing something horrific? I doubt it.


SpinningHead

No, because Christians in my country have not been seeing an explosion of violence and bigotry against them simply for being Christian. Muslims, on the other hand, have been thoroughly othered.


Smith609060

True.


[deleted]

Being management should have been sin enough lol


mong_gei_ta

No dude, that's just your skewed Western mind telling you things like this... Obviously their society has great values too, even if so different.


ribiy

Videos on twitter show that the people forming that mob believe it is a normal natural reaction. They don't think themselves as criminals or guilty of even heroes. They just think one leads to the other. Some guy supposedly threw a paper with Quranic verses written on it in the dustbin and the next step, obviously has to be lynching him and publicly burning his body. The rot is deep.


gangaheadman

if the news is accurate, then this is not a normal natural reaction. this is absolutely barbaric and NOT ISLAMIC. lack of understanding and education has led to this very stupid, ignorant, shameless behaviour. these people should reflect on what they are doing and what is actually decreed by ~~islamic law~~ logic. simple logic dictates. a piece of paper with quranic verses does not hold the same weight as a human life a human life (muslim or not) has great value. mobs, lynching, vigilantism are all actions that are not permitted in islamic teachings and is a sin not to be taken lightly (fasiq). >The Muslim is the one from whose tongue and hand the people are safe, and the believer is the one who is trusted with the lives and wealth of the people. Source: Sunan al-Nasā’ī 4998 > > > >Abu Sa’id al-Khudri reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not cause harm or return harm. Whoever harms others, Allah will harm him. Whoever is harsh with others, Allah will be harsh with him.” Source: al-Sunan al-Kubrá 11070 if those people truly practice islam, they must atone for their sin, and look after that persons family and loved ones. they owe a great debt to the victims family AND to the community. perhaps the manager shouldve been respectful, sure, maybe, yes. but to get tortured and killed? absolute spineless and ignorant behavior.... my warm thoughts and humble prayers to the victims.


IFindItKindOfSad

a: many islamic teachings condone such behaviour. what is the punishment for apostasy or homosexuality again? b: no true scotsman fallacy.


Sleep_is_underrated

Non-muslims basically filter out when you guys say "this isn't what islam teaches/this is unislamic" every time this happens. Clearly it IS something about Islam that is helping to cause these situations. No other religion prominently kills people for showing a photo or pulling down a verse.


LightRefrac

I'm guessing fundamentalism + poor law and order is what leads to this. I couldn't see this happening in turkey or even in Saudi Arabia. Sure in the case of the latter the govt will kill me, but at least there won't be a mob burning my body


gangaheadman

you are absolutely correct. there is something about islam that is allowing these situations to arise. why arent the muslims at the fore front to stop this kind of behaviour. unacceptable. but im not here for any debate. stating facts only and you can come to your own conclusions. there is a major issue here. we need to figure out how stupid things like this can stop from happening. whether its islam, christianity, judaism, hinduism, buddhism, etc....


XWarriorYZ

Islamic fundamentalists think humanity’s only purpose is to serve Allah, and if people aren’t doing that, their lives are worthless. They feel no remorse.


gangaheadman

people who behave like that, need help. serious help. they are lost and cant be further than the truth.. we are all responsible for the well-being of each other, no matter the religion, race, age, gender. humanity has gone global in the last century, why cant we go global with goodness also? if someone is going to claims to be part of a fundamentalist belief, its really in their best interest to understand what their belief preaches. i may not be so accurate now, but my travels to that part of the world a decade plus back taught me that most people just dont konw what they believe in and why. they just go with the flow. many dont have any formal education other than anecdotal references without proper study, literature, history, nor guidance from an authority on the subjects. is is quite clear, their view of "religion" is more culture based as opposed to factual teachings.


BlursedKamasutra

Nope see the punishments for blasphemy. Don't defend a shit ideology.


gangaheadman

not defending anyone. stating facts. i request that you to check it out yourself.


BluePandaCafe94-6

It is a fact that the punishment in Islam for blasphemy (and apostasy) is death.


gangaheadman

dude, your just stating your opinon. lets see some links.


BluePandaCafe94-6

Lol no. Not my opinion at all. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy\_in\_Islam](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam) >Apostasy in Islam (Arabic: ردة‎, riddah or ارتداد, irtidād, an apostate from Islam is a murtad (Arabic: مرتد‎)) is commonly defined as the abandonment of Islam by a Muslim, in thought, word, or through deed.\[1\]\[2\]\[3\]\[4\]\[5\] It includes not only explicit renunciations of the Islamic faith by converting to another religion\[1\] (or abandoning religion altogether),\[1\]\[6\]\[7\] but also blasphemy or heresy,\[8\]\[9\] through any action or utterance implying unbelief, including those denying a "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam.\[10\] > >While classical Islamic jurisprudence calls for the death penalty of those who refuse to repent of apostasy from Islam,[11] the definition of this act and whether and how it should be punished, are disputed among Islamic scholars[12][7][13] and strongly opposed by Muslim and Non-Muslim supporters of the universal human right to freedom of faith.[14][15][Note 1]


gangaheadman

did you read the second paragraph? i dont understand this here, can you help me out? classic islamic jurisprdence... where in the world is that practiced now? not only that, but how is that sentence carried out? any links there or documentation of when the last punishment for apostasy was carried out? lol everyone seems to be an expert in sharia law nowadays. dude just posted a wiki link and thats proof enough to believe something you read on the internet? lets understand the reality instead of looking through smokes and mirrors.


BluePandaCafe94-6

If you kept reading, your questions would be answered. >classic islamic jurisprdence... where in the world is that practiced now? See: >As of 2014, there were eight Muslim-majority countries where apostasy from Islam was punishable by death,[18][19][20] and another thirteen where there were penal or civil penalties such as jail, fines or loss of child custody.[21] From 1985 to 2006, only four individuals were officially executed by governments for apostasy from Islam and that also for unrelated political charges,[Note 2] but apostates have suffered from other legal and vigilante punishments -- imprisonment, annulment of marriage, loss of rights of inheritance and custody of children.[23][21] Mainly, loss of life has come from killings by "takfiri" insurgents (ISIL, GIA, Taliban). >lol everyone seems to be an expert in sharia law nowadays. Lots of people have to fact-check apologist liars like you, who pretend it's not even a real thing. Now you acknowledge it's real, but disbelieve it's still practiced. Now that I've spoon fed the information to you, you might acknowledge where it's still practiced, but now you're just scrambling for some new reason why we should all just stop thinking about this. >dude just posted a wiki link and thats proof enough to believe something you read on the internet? The wiki link is loaded with over 250 more sources that validate all the claims being made. You're grasping at straws. You know what's sad? Trying to be an apologist for Islam, but being so ridiculously bad at it, that the person you're talking to starts to think you might be illiterate. Your spelling certainly isn't doing you any favors.


aliabadi2

If you don't mind, let me share some facts as well. While it's true that in most cases Islam doesn't support vigilantism, there's one case of Muhammad condoning a vigilante killing one of his followers did. >A blind man had a slave-mother who used to abuse the Prophet (ﷺ) and disparage him. He forbade her but she did not stop. He rebuked her but she did not give up her habit. One night she began to slander the Prophet (ﷺ) and abuse him. So he took a dagger, placed it on her belly, pressed it, and killed her. A child who came between her legs was smeared with the blood that was there. When the morning came, the Prophet (ﷺ) was informed about it. > >He assembled the people and said: I adjure by Allah the man who has done this action and I adjure him by my right to him that he should stand up. Jumping over the necks of the people and trembling the man stood up. > >He sat before the Prophet (ﷺ) and said: Messenger of Allah! I am her master; she used to abuse you and disparage you. I forbade her, but she did not stop, and I rebuked her, but she did not abandon her habit. I have two sons like pearls from her, and she was my companion. Last night she began to abuse and disparage you. So I took a dagger, put it on her belly and pressed it till I killed her. > >Thereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said: Oh be witness, no retaliation is payable for her blood. https://sunnah.com/abudawud/40/11


gangaheadman

i dont mind at all! this appears to be a quote from a reference book of abu dawud and appears sound with a proper chain of narration. i can say that this is genuine from my limited understanding. however, i am not a native arabic speaker, my only language is english. text such as this would need further analysis and study to understand, such as the history and period of time as well. i havent undertaken such measures. but this does bring up a good topic of discussion and needs further insight. thanks for sharing!


JobbieJob

Come on man...we both know the reality...Islamic retards are.gonna start fucking up the West, and the media will be obligated to cover it up...


Deadlymonkey

> are.gonna start fucking up the West The west seems to be doing a good enough job of that already.


JobbieJob

Blah blah blah, and which groups that were burning shit last year ALSO inconveniently ended up being pro Islam?......Pro NOI.....whoops 🤭


Deadlymonkey

Not sure what your point is since that would still fall under the west destroying the west, but go off


minorkeyed

It becomes Islam if enough people say so. Just like how the most dominant form of Islam today became dominant, perhaps yours, through torture and blood and barbarity. Then you will scream, *That isn't Islam*, and they scream back, *Yes it is!*, and that's that. Two opposing definitions for Islam, neither of which will back down. Then you'll call it something other than Islam, they'll get offended and give your version a name other than Islam, you'll get offended. Religious conflict will ensue and what decides the victor is having more people who agree, gaining through conversation or reducing your opposition through non-violent or violent means.


ribiy

There is barbarity going around in the ne of Islam across the Muslim world. From ISIS to Afghanistan to Pakistan. Problem isn't that people are uneducated but they are weongly educated in madarsas. Quran might or might not have objectionable verses. I can quote other verses and debate. Easy to google. However that is not important. Infact religious texts of other religions might also have objectionable content as well. The crux of the problem is how the Islam is being practised by large section of people. Just saying that 'this isn't true Islam' doesn't take away the reality. The reality of practice. The reality of refusal to reform. The reality of going back to middle ages in places like Syria and Afganistan. If educated and well meaning Muslims don't accept the problem of current way of practice of Islam in numerous parts of the world (not all and not all muslims, to be clear) there won't be reforms. The backward march would continue.


Senorkhan

Barbaric I agree but pointing to extreme scenarios makes your comments about a whole people/multiple nations just sound bigoted. Like didn't a 15 year old in Michigan just shoot up his school? It's not a contest of who is more backwards, but who can enact the will to change. Your "easy to Google knowledge" and hand picked phrases from the Quran only show that you are coming into this with bias. As an immigrant American I gotta say the echo chamber in the US is really putting a rift between the rest of the world and the US. This isn't the same country I emigrated to 15 years ago and people keep amazing me with their lack of critical thinking. "If educated and well meaning Muslims don't accept the problem of current way of practice of Islam in numerous parts of the world (not all and not all muslims, to be clear) there won't be reforms. The backward march would continue." Well said! But ironically this applies to a lot of nations today. Many of them first world nations who's educated seem to be fairing no better than their educated and well meaning Muslim counter parts.


ribiy

Incidents of crime and depravity happens in all cities of the world. They will keep happening. But to compare those to whole nations destroyed, millions of women being turned into slaves, mobs of men lynching people for blasphemy knowing that they won't be jailed, terrorist attacks killing hundreds of people, 9/11, Bombay attacks is either naive or just plain defense of Islamism. A school shooting or murders are individuals acting against the law and humanity. But Islamism is institutionalised destroying nations amd a billion people. Both aren't same. False equivalence. Abjectly horrid defense of Islamism using strawman arguments.


gH0st_in_th3_Machin3

What you have to do (and the sooner the better) is "this is not islamic"... IT IS! Because that's what islam teaches in the examples of muhammad who was raping, torturing, killing, beheading and burning all around him. Once you understand how barbaric those texts are, then you will progress, until then islam=barbarism.


caes2359

Wasnt mohammed the prophet himself a warlord/prophet at his time that shared a very "war-near" version of the Quran to kind of justify and glorify killings on "nonbelievers"?


gangaheadman

can we get some context?


Hamster_High_Dive

Doesn't matter what it should be, what matters is how this group thinks it should be, and many others like them.


gangaheadman

correct. this kind of senseless loss of life is unacceptable.


sicsoxy

I am with you bro Let them down vote, I support you


gangaheadman

right back at ya!


PaleInTexas

Kinda how Christianity is all about "loving thy neighbor" but somehow is the main source of hate in this country?


gangaheadman

yeah humans are weird.


[deleted]

[удалено]


ribiy

Don't mix up migrants and Islamists. Be specific.


marcobattuta

clown juggling balls, just ignore lol


Fenecable

What a nuanced take! Clown.


JobbieJob

Nah for sure for sure. That mob was MOS DEF nuanced....they were so balanced and level headed! Over a poster! So noble they are!


Fenecable

Unfortunately, mob mentality is endemic to humanity, not any one religion. Keep on demonizing people you don't know, though! It's really working!


JobbieJob

Totally it's the system! It's humanity! Just an abstract, unrelated issue! Never any personal responsibility or taking account of reality from your side is there? It's always some bullshit, abstract theory....I'm not demonizing shit, just stating the obvious. Which somehow bullshit Humanities disciplines have labeled that to be naughty...


Fenecable

No, you're advocating for a dangerous rhetoric that will only fan the flames of extremism domestically and abroad. I pity your acquaintances.


VerisimilarPLS

In case anyone is wondering, this guy does frequent r/conservative, which really is all you need to know about him.


beapledude

Just gonna casually share this with my boss later…


TLC_15

Someone is gonna be the boss favorite now lol.


SoggyWindows

Poor bloke.


[deleted]

[удалено]


opzoro

> They deserve better but won’t get it until the clowns running the country wake up and acknowledge the problem they are the problem, especially the army generals etc. With the firepower they have and India and Pashtun Afghanistan as targets to inflame the masses against, their foothold on power seems rock solid atm.


OverloadedConstructo

>they are the problem, especially the army generals etc. With the firepower they have and India and Pashtun Afghanistan as targets to inflame the masses against, their foothold on power seems rock solid atm. Yup, army generals. This is what most western people didn't understand but many country in asia have strong military power in the politics compared even to the president / head of the state itself... that alone why many human right abuse are rampant. You can't expect some asia country to form apology lettter to minority / group / etc that they massacre in the past like germany did, otherwise the military will coup the current leader.


Smith609060

Didn't Pakistan kill about 170 Indians and pardon the terrorist ringleader?


ribiy

And 6 Americans, 4 Israelis, 3 Germans and people of 13 other nationalities in the same incident. Even liberal Pakistanis have drank the cool Islamist aid and either blame India itself for the attacks or refuse to accept complicity of Pakistan's army and its pet terrorists.


Smith609060

>Even liberal Pakistanis have drank the cool Islamist aid and either blame India itself for the attacks or refuse to accept complicity of Pakistan's army and its pet terrorists. Why is this the case?


ribiy

Indoctrination is deep. Hate is taught from childhood which no amount of education can undo. Kind of like racism on steroids.


Smith609060

Interesting, thanks.


Ok-Aspect279

What event are you talking about? Just honestly don't know.


RealityCheck18

26/11 Mumbai terror attacks.


cats-with-mittens

They were also the perpetrators of a genocide in 1971 that included the rape of 300,000 women. Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide


Smith609060

Please send me an article about this!


cats-with-mittens

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide


cats-with-mittens

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide


Smith609060

Thanks!


Ngothadei

Jesus fucking Christ! This is grim.


FourFurryCats

Wrong Deity.


CandidInsurance7415

Do you want to gather the mob or should I?


circumsalot

From the islamic point of view, both religions have the same god, just different versions of the prophets from christianity/judaism. I always laugh at those people who are only willing to criticize christianity but don't want to criticize islam. They don't realize that when they say the christian god is a psychopath, they're also talking about the islamic god. Two birds with one stone.


Rumbleg

Mythical Sky Fairy is more like it.


Disastrous_Brain_69

Pakistani courts are gonna sue the man's corpse for blasphemy


secondAckount

There is no corpse left he was burned alive. Only ashes on street


dogmaticidiot

For over a year now Khan has been slowly giving up ground to islamists in Pakistan. He negotiated a truce with the Talibans of the TTP and then he lifted the ban on the TLP and released their leader who had been charged with terrorism. Khan cornered himself, in the next election in two years religious extremists might either have a landslide win or enough representatives so you can’t form a government without them.


MoroseBurrito

Not so bad until you realize Pakistan has nukes


LightRefrac

Pretty sure the USA has a plan for that (fingers crossed)


dabeast0404

Pretty standard in that hellhole, no wonder no country other than china will set foot in that place


[deleted]

The worldnews mods are deleting every post about this that gains any traction. This is major news in Pakistan, even the prime minister has commented on it: >A mob of factory employees in eastern Pakistan tortured and burned a Sri Lankan manager on Friday over apparent blasphemy in a "horrific" attack that Prime Minister Imran Khan said brought shame on the country.


braxistExtremist

This thread seems to be sticking around. Maybe they are removing duplicates and/or threads with inflammatory titles?


Darkhallows27

>Thought this was going to be a story about workers violently rising up against an unjust work environment >it’s about religion Fuck


[deleted]

[удалено]


minorkeyed

The real blasphemy is believing in fairy tales that make you kill people.


Jimmy_R_Ustler

It feels more like this kind of heinous behavior is directly a derivative of poisonous religious fanaticism rather than culture specifically. Plenty of sane, empathetic people in the culture who are religious (and I do disagree with their faith) but whom wouldn’t come anywhere close to doing this or thinking it’s ok. Some cultures are inherently more religious than others or have religion as a big tenant of the culture , sure, but it’s the delusional, poisonous fanaticism that should be taking the brunt of the blame. It’s no different than American Christian fanatics who plant bombs at Women’s Health Clinics or who shoot up a Mosque, or who politicize their religion and then end up in an armed insurrection in which they beat a man to death with an American flag. Religion is the issue here, delusional religious fanaticism to be specific, not necessarily a culture or race of people. I see why you feel the way you do, but the way it’s presented is dangerously prejudiced with that prejudice pointing in the wrong direction.


ribiy

Its kind of same. The religious fanaticism has become the culture. In ancient times current day Pakistan (then India) was the place where philosophers, mathematicians and authors lived. Where the world's biggest libraray was situated when the rest of the most of the world was still primitive. Where one of the oldest civilisation (Indus valley) was rooted. All that culture is gone. For good.


Jimmy_R_Ustler

> religious fanaticism has become the culture For some, unfortunately yes, but not all. There are still many people who would think that the manager killed was being blasphemous and probably deserves judgement from God, but who are still sane enough to absolutely think that a mob lynching and corpse burning is heinous and wrong. Those people still exist within the culture, and your grand generalization doesn’t work unless you specifically want to view it that way


kolembo

> >It’s no different than American Christian fanatics who plant bombs at Women’s Health Clinics or who shoot up a Mosque, or who politicize their religion and then end up in an armed insurrection in which they beat a man to death with an American flag. My friend. Have you been to Pakistan? Don't underplay this just because you see an ideal. You have to face stuff like this head on.


Jimmy_R_Ustler

My friend, I do not feel like pointing out literal facts is underplaying anything, rather facing religious extremism of all kinds head on as you stated. America is nice but is not exempt from religious fanaticism or scrutiny. Far from it. Your argument seems to me only a means to be able to justify specific prejudices, and downplay Americas similar problems.


circumsalot

The problems the US has with religious extremism are nothing compared to what's in Pakistan. The two are just not comparable. In the US at least you can openly criticize anything, consume media that criticizes and ridicules any idea, even to the point of causing offense.


Jimmy_R_Ustler

The problems are rather comparable when you quit finding ways to rationalize how they aren’t, but even if they weren’t that still wouldn’t make an erroneous generalizations about *all the people* in a given culture any less erroneous. So far all you’ve done is show me ways you personally rationalize erroneously lumping *all the people* in a given culture into one group and then based on that choose to believe *all the people* in that given culture are backwards and barbaric. And then you’ve shown me how you’ll double down despite someone politely pointing out the error in thinking.


circumsalot

Show us where anyone says "all". Seems you're using that word very often. I can go outside now and yell "fuck jesus" and hardly anyone would care. No one is going to kill me for it. Maybe I would attract some strange looks.


Jimmy_R_Ustler

I’d love to go down our entire discourse and point out where, either explicitly or implicitly, but I do value my time more than I value trying to prove a point to you that you’re very clearly not willing to consider or accept. And you could similarly do the same as a Pakistani in Pakistan about the prophet Mohammad and it’s likely that while people generally would judge you, and likely be very angry, ostracize you even, they wouldn’t immediately lynch you and burn your corpse in an unruly mob of delusional religious fanaticism. The fact you think that is the case is honestly just a case in point regarding your current desire to find rationalizations for prejudice.


Throranges

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57516630 However, in five countries, including Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia, blasphemy is punishable by execution. https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/05/25/the-islamic-world-has-a-blasphemy-problem/ Half of the world’s 49 Muslim-majority countries have additional laws banning apostasy, meaning people may be punished for leaving Islam. This class of religious laws enjoys considerable popularity across the Islamic world. According to a 2013 [Pew survey](https://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/), about 75% of respondents in Southeast Asia, the Middle East and North Africa, and South Asia favour making Sharia, or Islamic law, the official law of the land. Among those who support Sharia, around 25% in Southeast Asia, 50% in the Middle East and North Africa, and 75% in South Asia say they support "executing those who leave Islam" – that is, they support laws punishing apostasy with death. Tensions are high in Bangladesh as communal attacks on Hindus do not appear to stop. Half a dozen people have died in riots that started last week after a section of the majority Muslim community accused Hindus of blasphemy during Durga Puja. Attacks on Hindus and Hindu temples were reported from many parts of Bangladesh


Jimmy_R_Ustler

I really appreciated you providing for me a statistic that proves my point. There is an unfortunate majority in those numbers, but it wasn’t *100%*. Even at the highest, 75%, that means out of a theoretical population of 200,000,000 that still *50,000,000* people, sane people, disagree with those laws and arguably aren’t fanatics and that aren’t in alignment with that kind of delusion fanaticism. That’s a lot of people. People who are religious, and a part of that culture, but who are not delusional fanatics who’d agree with a lynching. Those are people who don’t deserve to be judged as backwards.


kingkongchrist

I agree but sadly I feel like it's just going to take people time to feel ok about bringing it up.


pmirallesr

How is religion not part of culture? Or religious fanatism for that matter? Is anything bad automatically excluded form being part of a culture?


Jimmy_R_Ustler

Religion is a part of culture but not all people are delusional, fanatics towards that religion. Christianity is a big part of American culture for example, and we have quite a few very dangerous fanatics, but not all of us are that, and therefore shouldn’t be judged as fanatics despite being steeped in American Culture. You see?


pmirallesr

Cultures have subcultures. The fact that the dominant american christian culture is not violently extremist, does not mean that there aren't subculture within it that are


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


[deleted]

[удалено]


circumsalot

Every this every that. So what? Everything is everywhere but not in equal amounts. That's the point. Frankfurt and Chicago both have murder, does that mean both are equal in murder?


Seeders

He took some 'holy scripture posters' down. God is not powerful enough to stop a manager from taking down a poster, so they had to punish the man in place of God's weakness.


zihua_

This Sri Lankan man who was working as a manager in a factory was mob lynched by hundreds of men for allegedly blaspheming against Mohammed/quran and then he was set on fire while slurs of "infidel" were shouted by the crowd. Some were also seen taking selfies while the man was in fire. Video footage[Graphic] - https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1466705342167875586 https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1466690962088886275


Tmanzine

Ugh, I was like, a revolt over slave labor? Naw, just a religious bullshit. Edit: I would have said that despite the religion.


ImaginaryFoe

Backwards savages with no sense of humanity whatsoever.


QueenOfTheKaaba

welcome to Pakistan


cats-with-mittens

Wait till you guys hear about the genocide they perpetrated just 50 years ago that included the rape of 300,000 women.


mal1k7

Debunked by an Indian author Bose. Fabricated lies taught by Indians out of hatred.


Popular-Somewhere-38

No,this is taught in Bangladesh


mal1k7

Obviously randian


Agitated_Ad_1710

r/antiwork


[deleted]

[удалено]


Ok-Aspect279

Not surprising. Most nations are based on a people, an ethnos. This is not the case with pakistan and so islam is the ideological glue the state is attempting to use to bind the country together. They're trying to walk a tightrope by encouraging enough extremism to cement loyalties but not enough to lose the country to the mullahs. Judge yourself how they're doing.


pakistani-an

Stop spreading lies. You're just an Indian troll


TheOneAndOnlyVamp

He literally linked an article you donkey


Live_Mathematician99

This is why Modi/BJP keeps winning in India. There are crazy Islamic fanatics in India that liberal Indian politicians have been pandering to for decades.


Ecstatic_Pin_2858

nah, it's mostly because rahul gandhi is a fucking joke


[deleted]

You got that wrong. Modi is the one who panders to the extreme right wing hindus lol. Pretty much making India a hindu Pakistan.


Hobble1232

R/antiwork to the max!


circumsalot

Ugh, I hate that sub. Jobs aren't perfect, so they use that as an excuse to discourage people from aiming high and wanting to achieve more. I once got into an argument with someone there when I criticized them for encouraging their kids to become garbage-collectors. If your kids have more potential then that, they should be encouraged to use that potential as best they can and not squander it.


CELTICPRIME

Considering this is normal, India should have wiped that place atleast once out of 4 surrenders


Ecstatic_Pin_2858

It bemuses me how the average Redditor talks about wars and death as a casual affair.


CELTICPRIME

considering the amount of terrorism and human rights voilation spread so normally and casually using our western countries tax funds for terrorism i think its justified


[deleted]

[удалено]


dan0o9

Religious extremism you mean.


autotldr

This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/sri-lankan-manager-killed-by-mob-workers-pakistan-garment-factory-2021-12-03/) reduced by 69%. (I'm a bot) ***** > Register now for FREE unlimited access to reuters.comLAHORE, Pakistan, Dec 3 - A mob of factory employees in eastern Pakistan tortured and burned a Sri Lankan manager on Friday in a "Horrific" attack that Prime Minister Imran Khan said brought shame on the country. > "The factory workers tortured the manager," said provincial government spokesman Hassan Khawar. > "The horrific vigilante attack on a factory in Sialkot and the burning alive of Sri Lankan manager is a day of shame for Pakistan," he said in a message on Twitter. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/r853fi/sri_lankan_manager_killed_by_mob_of_workers_at/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~610896 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Pakistan**^#1 **manager**^#2 **unlimited**^#3 **access**^#4 **factory**^#5


liegesmash

Excellent precedent


Commentariot

work hard - play hard


alkalinemind990

Damn


dickhandsome

This is where defunding the police leads.


exxy-

the fuck outta here, pops.


dickhandsome

You better start respecting you elders, you lil shit. Or else I'm gonna bend you over my knee and spank your ass in front of all your stupid looking friends. But for real though. Where were the cops in all of this? Could you see something like this happening in north America?


ImaginarySugar

The cops were standing there watching it, refusing to intervene just like all their scumbag cowardly ilk. Did you not even bother watching the atrocious video?


dickhandsome

No, I read the article. Maybe the police watching felt helpless to stop it cause they were underfunded.


victoriaa-

Source for your claim?


PhrygianTopi

The cops are in the video standing there and watching. Are you stupid?


Ok-Aspect279

The security apparatus in Pakistan is pretty well funded and even encourage extremism.


dickhandsome

Sad.


Seeders

This is where vigilantism like Kyle Rittenhouse leads. You NA right wingers are the same ilk as the ME right wingers. Carbon copies.


X2WE

you have been downvoted but in pakistan police are scared of these nutjobs. so in someway they are defunded or reduced from their roles