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BigLeSwoleski

> Winstrol and tren Found your problem


Tew_Wet

I took creatine and all my hair fell out


10Dante4

I once looked at a protein shake and I became sterile


knoxsyd

I once thought about lifting weights and my prostate fell out.


testostertwo

Can you still feel it if I poke it?


FitnessD7

Time to test for science.


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Someone mentioned lifting to me once and I immediately developed a uterus


flappybird4

Really? I want to start taking creatine but now I have my doubts. I just spent tons of money of hair transplant. What about L’citrulline? Does that do the same thing? Thank you.


Tew_Wet

Nah l'citrulline will give you a fat cum shot though.


MHB24

I took primo and anavar a month ago and i have been shedding like crazy. I am thinking about taking some dutasteride to slow the progression ... good idea?


mrdnp123

No because dutasteride is a 5-ar enzyme inhibitor. Essentially it blocks the conversion of test to dht. It doesn’t block the action of primo and anavar as they don’t convert to dht. Dutasteride just inhibits the conversion and not the actual dht or dht like steroid


MHB24

That’s interesting I appreciate the info So i stopped the var/primo about two weeks ago. How long would you think this shed will continue? Also have you heard of guys shedding a lot while on primo? I was under the impression it was almost side effect free at moderate doses


coloradomuscle

It’s a dht. Same with var. not sure why people think they’re easy on the hairline.


MHB24

Blame the internet. It was my first run. I have shed like a MF but stopped after 4 or so days ... how long will the shed last


Tru58841

Shed may last a month but new hairs will replace the ones that fell. Anavar is known to be mild on the hurr, but I've heard bad things about primo. It's not whether a compound is a DHT derivative or not, it's how androgenic it is.


MHB24

Interesting. That’s the first i have heard primo will cause more of a shed than var I only took them for about 4 days so i am shocked to see the shed has lasted over two weeks now Appreciate the info.


Tru58841

Hang in there... the shift in hormones may have knocked a bunch of hairs from the "growing" (anagen) phase to the "resting" (telogen) phase and now they're shedding as the cycle resets. It'll slow down sooner than later and your hair density will be back to normal.


MHB24

Thank you.


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> Shed may last a month but new hairs will replace the ones that fell. > > Anavar is known to be mild on the hurr, but I've heard bad things about primo. > > It's not whether a compound is a DHT derivative or not, it's how androgenic it is. When you guys say 'shedding' what do you mean? When I run my fingers through my hair a few hairs come with every time, is that shedding?


Tru58841

Everyone sheds a certain amount throughout each day (like a dog or cat sheds). When I say "shed" in this case, I mean a notably increased amount of hairs shedding due to a hormone flux. They will grow back.


coloradomuscle

Not sure, homie.


mrdnp123

I have no idea, sorry mate. Sometimes the shedding can take a while to stop. Primo is known to cause shedding. Some of the worst. Besides that it usually is side effect free. Keep in mind there are so many other factors. Like low e2 or even a low calorie diet can cause shedding


malibuflex

We are all like Saitama, to obtain power, aesthetics and poon, we need to surpass our natural limit imposed onto us by our hair. So we must shed this to become more!!


Brain_Surgery

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I’ve blasted over a gram of tren and ran winny high as 700mg and var I can’t remember dosing all on the same cycle. And it was a long one. Doses weren’t that high always or even most of the time but tren never dipped below 400 and winny never below 350. No hair loss at all.


GuDMarty

Yeah Every blast I have a very “hairline destroyer” whether it’s cutting or bulking. And I’ve had zero hair loss. Look at some of the IFBB guys. 90% are bald and then there are the 10% with what appears to be a full head of hair with almost zero receding.


InstigatingDrunk

for every sadek or jay cutler, there is 10 Ronnie's, makes sense lol.


GuDMarty

I’m not saying most don’t go bald. What I’m saying is there are people who don’t into there 30s running multiple cycles of grams of DHTs and tren ect. Even like a 2 gram off-season test blast will merk your hair like a 700mg masteron pre contest ect. I’m realistic about the situation. Most people go bald without gear even in their 30s of so at least some thinning of the hairline crown ect if you run cycles you will more than likely shed after a couple years. I’m not delusional about it but there are also outliers too


Kodinah

Ya basically 2/3 of men have the MPB Genes and will be bald by 50. Any juice will accelerate it though.


GuDMarty

Agreed. Even by 35 most people are starting to thin/recede


LetThePinsBegin

Think it's like 80% by 35 are the statistics.


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kevin9er

Also you’re right about the muscle tension. Some scientists did a computer simulation of tension of skin wrapped around a skull and found the stress lines and zones matched the MPB crown and widows peak. Was one reason I got LASIK, to stop squinting and furrowing.


kevin9er

Meth?


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Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

Asking the real questions.


Hamenahmenahamena

Never used tren but absolutely love dht compounds and used sdrol for 100 days in a row. No shedding either.


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I will literally never run a wet compound other than test, ever. Not tren again I think (quality of life diminishes gains) but I HATE being “wet”.


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\#TeamLowDoseTestPlusNonAromatizingCompounds


[deleted]

Damn right man. Think I’m just guna be a BnC slut that’s only faithful to test, primo, and EQ.


LateStarter79

Don't forget TBol


[deleted]

Never tried, think I’m done with orals too. Keeping it simple is my favourite way to be, I think.


[deleted]

was thinking of trying EQ for next summer's blast instead of Tren, but the RBC stuff kind of worries me. Which is ironic, given that 500mg of Tren has got its own problems.


[deleted]

Yeah that does concern me but I don’t think it’s a huge issue if you run it low. I think I’m over big blasts. They just aren’t worth it to me. Maybe it’s because I’m stressed and all that in general, works really demanding. I just feel like on a real blast I gotta be doing nothing but focusing on the gym for it to be worth it.


LateStarter79

TeamLowLibido? If I run other compounds on top of TRT dose shit doesn't work as well.. Doesn't happen to everyone though for some reason


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yeah, for the most part I haven't found an AAS that doesn't make me have to like, police my own masturbation. Tren and masteron, especially, make me go to pornhub ready to throw down pretty much everytime I'm in front of a laptop and alone.


LateStarter79

Haha, maybe I'm getting too old. If I run high doses of stuff like Mast/EQ that gives me anxiety then sex drive is down. Pure testosterone though feels great. Or say 500 test 300 Mast is fine. But 200 test and 650 Mast is not good for me.


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LateStarter79

Tren can make you plenty wet. If you have a vagina.


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That was just an unrelated comment. I meant in general. I am over tren.


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Hamenahmenahamena

Yup. I took it for my first cycle which was 250mg test. Gains were just off the charts. Bought a 100pill bag at 10mg and used one a day, no tudca. Lethargy definitely hit real quick but I either got used to it or it went away, don’t know since I was using it for so long. Piss was consistently dark but that was pretty much it. A bit after mid way I started experiencing stuff that I now see was definitely signs of my liver crying, like having itchy skin and absolutely no appetite along with having pretty high blood pressure. But god did I love what it did to me.


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Hamenahmenahamena

Nope. I didn’t take tudca at all of milk thistle or anything really. I was young (only year and a half ago lol) and I would really really not recommend this at all. I took a full blood panel like two weeks after stopping, can’t remember the numbers of the top of my head but I remember my ALT/AST was in the high hundreds, insanely elevated. I only took another test almost a year later and they were less than a hundred again. Again, it was my first cycle, I didn’t know about this forum and I’m insanely lucky I didn’t end up with cirrosis. I never felt physically bad at all, practically the only side effect till almost the end was just dark piss, and a bunch of injuries because strength was going up so fast, but my liver was obviously crying, didn’t help that I was partying it up and drinking as well.


Tru58841

I would have been terrified of looking at my bloodwork after that.


CatharticDeuce

I've been on a gram of tren for the last 18 months. In between blasted mast and win for a few cycles. No hair loss lmao. Then again my gains are also shit compared to others running these doses.


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Dude how are you on a gram of tren? Like how do you sleep? How do you operate as a human being? How are you not in jail for murdering someone? How do you hold down a job? Seriously, I can’t wrap my head around that. 6 weeks of a gram and it was the worst 6 weeks of my life


CatharticDeuce

People respond differently. Maybe I just have super low AR density. Everything is fine. Only side is slight huffing because of the high metabolism to prostaglandins that's unique to tren. Bloods also look much better than to be expected on that dose. Overall just sucky to need to inject more to reach same effect :).


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Have you tried switching sources? I’ve never heard of anyone running a gram that long or even near that long


CatharticDeuce

I know what you're thinking, the gear is legit. Have had multiple sources through the years, several I've had lab work done myself.


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Gee whiz.. that sucks dude lol


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

How much do you weigh? I can believe this if you're at or around the 300 mark.


CatharticDeuce

230


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

I'm not trying to gatekeep your usage or anything, I'm just intrigued - feel free to ignore these questions? How tall are you and what bf%? Do you do powerlifting meets/bodybuilding comps? Why run that amount of that compound? ​ Again, not any kind of criticism at all, it's just rare to hear of someone doing that dosage for that amount of time so I'm curious about the overall situation to add to my anecdotal knowledge. Thanks in advance!


CatharticDeuce

6'5 and hover between 8-10% yearly. I dont do any competing, just like to look good and have gains.


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

Jesus, with a frame like that and the ability to handle doses like that you should consider it. Half the battle for some guys is just being able to survive running shit high enough without quitting because of the sides lol.


CatharticDeuce

My professional career development couldn't handle that haha. Musclehead prejudice is a real thing.


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

hahaha You're telling me. I work at a bank and I look like a gorilla in a polo right now.


broseph2349

I'm super curious to see a pic of 18 months of a gram of Tren.


DeathChill

This was my first thought too. I just want to see it, dammit.


cha0ticbrah

How'd a gram of tren feel?


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Let’s see I burned many bridges had daily panic attacks sweat like a pig and only managed t make it to the gym 3-4 times a week. Oh yeah and I went on a coke bender when I’d been off that for a while. Worst period of my life thus far.


cha0ticbrah

Fuck man, never passed 400 here. Stay safe brother , how were gains? Depsite gym 3-4 days


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Trash dude. Tren for me was 200 at optimal because I was essentially side free. It could be something as simple as the severe increase in stress alone that had me lack results. The sleep was garbage. Even 400 for me I didn’t like. I found literally no positive. I kept doing it because I was just stupid and on some kind of drug addict flex, truly. You delude yourself into thinking tren is the cure when it’s the poison. Forgot to mention I also sent a pretty embarrassing EMAIL to my ex during the tren blast. Because she has me blocked. A fucking email. Enough said. Now I’m off tren for life I think, have about 3000mg left I may do a 12-15 week blast on later. But fuck man. I do NOT miss tren. I did notice the strength decrease, a bit less vascular, and less pumped though. I tapered down. It I’d stopped cold turkey body dysmorphia would’ve hit me like a shovel.


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Yeah, I’m never buying another vial. Full stop. If I didn’t have 3000mg on hand I wouldn’t touch it again, but I’ve already over bought a lot of gear and need to clear the cabinet... Guna run it 200 for 15 weeks at my next blast.


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kyoto_kinnuku

Native Americans. They don’t have the male pattern baldness gene at all. It’s totally absent and everyone has great hairlines. Find a Native American bodybuilder and we’ll have our answer. I seriously doubt you’ll lose hair without the gene though. If that was the case it would thin on the sides too.


kevin9er

STRENGTH OF TEN BEARS RIPS IN HIS PANTS


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

Can't handle their liquor though, which means dbol would probably kill them.


HypocriticallyHating

I hope that 1% i have is for my hair then 🙏


Wade9q

Why temples?


SunkCostPhallus

Highly visible


Wade9q

Isn't a maturing hairline different from hairliss


SunkCostPhallus

My understanding is the maturing hairline is just the early stages and you may progress very slowly or you may stay there forever. There’s a chart called the norwood scale you can find in this link. https://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/hair-loss/hair-loss-diagnosis-men


Overvechtt

I don’t lose hair even when running tren and mast together, but when I use nolvadex, even at 10mg per day, is shed like crazy. It is a common thing, a lot of women with breast cancer who are on nolvadex shed hair too


GuDMarty

Low estrogen causes temporary shedding. You don’t actually have low E but you’re just blocking receptors


Overvechtt

Yes i know. When the head On my forehead gets really dry, i usually know that i have low E symptoms


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GuDMarty

They’re all serms with similar effects


smoothoperator90

but that is shedding, i think that hair comes back right?


Overvechtt

I think it has grown back. I have very dense hair to begin with. I was shedding like crazy in my own eyes. When washing my hair, my hands were full of hair and after doing my hair with gel my hands would be full of hairs too. My barber didn’t say anything and he notices every small thing.


Bwmims

Holy shit I thought I was just crazy


Dr_KingShultz

I've noticed that a lot of my hairloss has to do with keeping my E2 in line. When I actually don't take my AI, I will notice increased shedding. However, when I take aromasin, I notice that my hair quality will actually improve and there will be virtually zero shedding even when I'm taking Dbol. I used to always think that Dbol just made me shed like crazy until I started to take 12.5mg of Asin ED while on it. Had virtually zero shedding. But yea, for permanent hairloss, whenever I drop down to my 125mg cruise, I can literally watch my temples come back. It's actually kind of funny. Within a week, I will notice baby hairs along my hairline and usually within a month, my temples and hairline will be 50-60% thicker compared to when I am on blast. Jump back on blast and I will have a short little shedding phase during the first 6 weeks of my cycle. I've never really been able to prevent the shedding, but I only use Nizoral 1% 2x per week. I bet if I jumped on Fin, I would experience zero shedding when I get on blasts. Tren completely fucked my thyroid and hairline back when I ran it. Almost took me to an NW3 at 20 years old. Here I am around 18 months since my last tren run and I'm back to NW1 on Test and EQ. Just need to avoid Tren and I feel like I can hold onto my hair until I'm 30.


Tru58841

Weird, because E2 is actually known to be a promoter of hair growth.


Dr_KingShultz

Yea I was thinking the same exact thing which is why I was always confused when my hair would be greasier, and softer, that it would be shedding versus when my E2 is low and my hair is dryer and thinner.


Tocino_Fugu

This is why steroids should be injected directly into your dickhole. Never heard of anyone going bald dickhole blasting.


Socawo

Never heard of someone keeping their hair either dickhole blasting to be fair


Tocino_Fugu

I'm, pretty sure dickhole blasting is considered state of the art best practices, but if your hair is determined to divorce you than even dickhole blasting can't make it stay, unfortunately. Conversely, there are also stories of it working too well and not only bringing back head hair, but also covering your dick in a thick, coarse, boar like fur.


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corneliousJr

Time to run 2g of masteron for a year then


vicyuste1

After my first cycle I easily lost half my hair. 3-4 months later most if not of my hair was back to normal. Last Tren blast raped my hair density. Still recovering from it, but slowly coming back. I'd say unless you have mpb on your family, the hair should recover mostly fine after doing the androgens


TrenWhoreCokeHabit

I definitely notice my hair gets thicker off tren and thins on tren. It’s gotten pretty bad this run. Currently running rogaine to try and stop it.


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vicyuste1

I have finas dick since years ago. I'm not touching that shit ever again


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vicyuste1

Yes


fread9999

It’s weird my hair always thins like crazy on Tren but comes back quick I actually shaved my head for years and finally grew it back out and was shocked about how full my hair was


Extremely_Photogenic

I have amazing hair genetics on both sides. I hear that my mother's father, who died from cancer before I was born, didn't lose his hair from chemo. Dad also has full thick head of hair. I've done lots of things said to be bad for hair like tren, winny, and mast and my hair does not appear to be thinning. Funnily, using minoxidil on my face caused some temporary hair lose. Not noticable to others but like lots of hair falling out in the shower kind of thing. I'm not really worried about it personally.


manbearjew9

I know for a fact that I am predisposed. Surrounded by it on both sides. Uncles, dad, cousins, and one brother all bald or thinning. My cousins all started around age 25 and my younger brother started around 22. I firmly believe I would be in the same boat by now if I hadn't discovered ketoconazole around the age of 19. I've been applying it ever since at 2%. From my understanding, it works to block DHT from the androgen receptor in the scalp, as well as reduces inflammation which is a secondary contributor to MPB. I swear by this stuff and am convinced that between my B+C throughout the years, I'd be pretty bald by now (age 26) had I stopped using it somewhere along the line.


alexanbro

How often do you use it? It dries the shit out of my hair


wootxding

Gonna just plug my usual - min/fin works with practically no side effects for me. I get a little dandruff and don’t get morning wood really but it saved my hair


Dr_KingShultz

I've heard really good things from guys that dermaroll, use minox, and jump on Fin. The dermarolling and minox are the 2 things that are really causing the hair to regrow, while the Fin is keeping it and making sure that you don't lose it again. There are a few transformations on hairloss forums where guys go from basically NW7 back to NW3 or even better in like a year of Dermarolling and using Minoxidil. If you have reversible hairloss, dermarolling and minoxidil seem to be the best for regrowing the hair you lost.


wootxding

Mines back now, I started fin/min about 4 weeks into cycle and it stopped falling out. I’m about 9 months post cycle and my hair looks better than pre-cycle imo


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Dr_KingShultz

1.5mm derma roller and general 5% minoxidil. They never use the minoxidil and the derma roller on the same day. Eg: Derma roll on Monday, Minox on every day except for Monday.


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wootxding

I did 1mg a day and my hair stopped falling out, post cycle it grew back I’ve also never heard of that other compound


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wootxding

My libido is less but I honestly see it as a benefit while on blast because my dick was hard all day long. On natty it makes me care less about being in a relationship/hooking up. I see both as a plus but others may not.


sonnsonn

The grandpa on your mothers side is usually the hair genetics you get


WutsThisOverhere

Despite knowing this, I always get so sad whenever I read this.Mine was bald at 30 so that would mean I'm fucked. I'm on norwood 2'ish at 24 so I hope I got the hair genetics from my father who is also balding but at a much lower rate.


smackapple

It may only cause hairloss in those who are predisposed however...who isn't predisposed? This probably isn't some accurate stat but a loose rule of thumb i read once about hairloss correlated age with hairl loss percentage. 20% of people start losing hair in their 20s, 30% start losing in 30s, 40% start losing in 40s and so on. Again its not a real studied statistic or fact. Lets buy the principle. A person may not start to lose their's hair until they are like 65. That persom is still predisposed to losing hair, even thougg theyd go virtually their whole life without ever losing any until they are really old. Yet if this individual blasted gear, maybe he would have started losing at 50 or 40 or 30, who knows? The steroids speed up the hair loss process. Im not really sure what my point was lol, but just shit to think about i guess.


TheScaryGary

No source on this, but I’ve always heard the “baldness gene” comes from your mothers side. You said in your post your grandfather on your mothers side was bald so that may be an indication of it being true. Then again I have so science to back this up


GuDMarty

Nah that’s just an old urban legend I think lol. I’ve heard that too but it comes from both sides. It probably makes it more common if your dad/grandfather is bald ect but you can still not go bald while having family members with a full head of hair and vice Vera


Narcissus28

Take a Biology class, that is not how genetics work.


TheScaryGary

Ok lol thanks


0io-

I think you're just at the age when you were going to lose your hair.


tombuzz

It’s definitely a combination of things , age , propensity for mpb, and increased downstream dht from androgens . Luckily I noticed my hair shedding before I was ever on so I started using finasteride pretty early (around 25/26). I’m incredibly vain so paying for and taking medicine daily was an easy trade off for me . Now that I’ve been blasting for a few years I feel like the finasteride has protected me from further mpb. Ide recommend it to anyone with balding in their family who sees some shedding .


AnimalNitro

What dose are you on? Do you feel like it impacts gains ?


Zul_rage_mon

My family goes bald usually in their mid to late 20s. I'm 34 and still have my hair after many cycles.


JugoAzteca

I'm not predisposed to hair loss. My family on both sides of my mom and dad have a full set of hair even at old age. I did a blast in January that involved Tren at 200mg per week. It was my first time using Tren and I wanted to start with a low dose, and by week 3 I noticed my hair was noticeably falling off. I play with my hair a lot and never had it fall off by little chunks so when it started happening I immediately stopped because my hair is more important than gains. I had done 3 cycles before of just Test and never had a problem with hair falling out. 4 months later I began my cut and figured I'd try 200mg of Tren again to see how it went. Haven't had any hair missing. Idk what it was, but stopping right away definitely helped save my hair. Just my experience.


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I’ve noticed with me and some bros that - sides come in all shapes and sizes and can be different from cycle to cycle. Tren gave me the worst ‘contact’ rash. I could scratch my arm and it’d break out in a rash. And subside 10-15 mins later. This time. Nada. Heartburn - savage this time - not so bad last time. Moody/temper last time. This time none of that. 500 each time. Hair is thinning. May drop the tren. I just lowered it to 250. Starting to believe less is more. There’s gotta be a beneficial peak, after which the extra just manifests itself in terrible sides. That being said. It’s been a week on 250 tren and the heartburn is gonezo. I take 2 shots a week, 250/test, 125/tren, 300/eq and the last week I was on 500/tren I missed a shot thru the week so I did back to back days. Heartburn was so bad I thought my stomach was gonna melt and release that shit in my insides. Omg


JugoAzteca

The less is more has been hammered into my head so much by the ~~guy~~ guys in Advices Radio that I put my faith in it. I want to try 500mg of Tren like you, but idk if the sides outweigh the benefits.


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Def not worth it. You have the right idea. Stay low. Dunno if you know much about plants. But I’ve got a good analogy. Liquid plant food is like steroids for plans. Give them a little, they go through a growth spurt. Overfeed them, they get toxic shock that stunts their growth. Almost stops it altogether. I’ve got one on my balcony now that I over fed. It’s ‘alive’ and green. But zero growth. Stunted. I’ve found I peak/plateau on 500. After a while I get so toxic that my growth stalls out. I think my AI’s kill all estrogen, causing joint pain. Thus killing my gym time, which then adds to the plateau. Less is more. For sure. I’m a firm believer now. Even after seeing that shit about plants I just wrote. Makes so much sense.


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Yeah. Stay low. Enjoy it. The sides of tren are bad. Lower dose will give you all the benefit without the savage sides. Besides. You can always take more. You can’t take less after you poked.


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He said test not tren


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> so youre saying i should do a 250mg first test cycle instead of 500mg.... right above I think you were talking to someone else and another guy came in, sorry for any confusion lol idk


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Ya my bad. You’re right.


michaelmcmikey

My younger (34) brother has been losing his hair since his late 20s. He’s never touched steroids. All the men in my family are balding. I’m 36 and have been doing various cycles since I was 32. I have a thick head of hair. I never expected this and it just seems like I won the genetic lottery in this regard (my family all did DNA testing at one point so lol yes I know for sure I am their actual relative). I really do believe that it comes down to genes and roids will only speed up what was going to happen anyway.


Herecomesdanny

I have very thick hair and have had no signs of receding. I definitely shed a lot more when I’m blasting but the thickness stays the same and my hair grows just as fast. I’ve also taken hair safe gear. I’ve ran test, EQ, and NPP. I’m about to start winstrol in 3 weeks so we will see how I react to that. My hair is way more important than my body if I start to recede from winny I’m dropping it ASAP


BigLeSwoleski

Currently running test, nand, mast, sdrol and a little nolva ED - hair is still thick and luscious My pops is 65 with 75% of his hair - thinning on top but that’s it - grandfathers on both sides had a decent amount of hair when they both passed - it’s entirely genetic


Sex_Llama

My mum's dad has thin but present hair, and my dad has some solid MPB that kicked in around early 20's for him. So I felt like my chances were high of some classic MPB. Anyway, after a couple cycles of test, then throwing NPP and even Var in and nothing, I tried Mast P. Granted, was only 300 Mast P a week plus 300 test e a week both for 8 weeks. Haven't noticed any hairloss so far. Was a small cycle due to life circumstances and an upcoming operation but nevertheless, didn't lose any hair so that's a bonus.


Dat_Dere_Cell-Tech

Tren and winstrol together is a deathwish. If you got the loot, I have noticed hair regrowth since being on HGH. I've been on for about 8 months (4 months at 2-3 iu/d and 4 at 4-5 iu/d).


badkarmagoodkarma

Iv used them all never had hair loss. Got acne mostly and body hair growth. My dads side has hair loss but not that bad, mums side everyone has thick hair. So genetics I guess.


Stedtler

Not true. Testosterone will cause androgenic alopecia.


cannabibun

I stacked winstrol tren and masteron, at mild doses. Running tren on every cycle. I have the most lush mane ever, it is purely dependant on genetics. Eating well makes your hair look better, so there might be that factor too.


MHB24

What can you do if shedding continues at a really bad rate even after two weeks of stopping Anavar and Primobolan? ​ Can I take dutasteide to slow the shed?


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I don’t leave it up to chance I use a cocktail of shit from a company called hims that has really helped my hair. I was noticing thinning before I ever took gear, and when I went on I also went on the finistride and have only seen positive changes in my hairline.


dschwartz0815

That Hims shit actually work at all? I figure anything advertised on Instagram is bullshit


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dschwartz0815

Do the everyday doctors prescribe that or is done through a dermatologist? I’ve never known who to ask


kevin9er

I got it from my doc just by talking about gear. I buy crazy cheap Indian pharmacy stuff. Fuck Hims, you’re paying for marketing.


Bigdaddytyrece

Morr f? I cannot find that in the USA anymore and it takes forever to ship from India.


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I just got this product called Monat. Hair place also pushing something called Actiiv. Her boyfriend took it and she has pictures and he started growing that shit back. I’m still skeptic though...


SunkCostPhallus

Is it not just finasteride?


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It’s that plus some special shampoo and some vitamin gummies.


maurgains

Nah you would have probably lost it anyway. My story might make you feel better about the doses you used though. Nowdays (22 y/o) i use propecia as a precaution and my hair is fine, and I like to think im not predisposed to it but honestly tren was so strong that i shed like crazy which is why im a bit skeptical about using it again. So i still have my full head of hair, no hairline recession nothing. But when i first hopped on the sauce (20 y/o) my cycles went as follows: Cycle 1: 20 weeks test E 600mg p/w. No hairloss Cycle 2: 10 weeks 1g test, 100mg p/w anavar. Shedding in the shower begins, no balding Cycle3: 8 weeks test prop 700mg, tren a 700mg p/w more shedding in the shower, still no signs of balding Cycle 4: 8 weeks 100mg test prop, 700mg tren A, 50mg anavar p/w. Okay, the shedding is getting kind of scary, hairs that fall out are noticably thinner, still no noticable balding or recession of hairline. But just tons of hairs (20-30) in each shower. So at this point im almost 22 and I realize im being an idiot with the doses and can use way less and grow just as much, lets try the safer roids. By the way i havent done pct once, in between every cycle i just go down to 100mg of test and cruise. Idc about my endocrine system ill just use trt for life this shit is fucking sweet. Anyway, i introduce deca into my cruise to see how i respond to it (i was always scared of decs dick) and my body fucking loves it, huge spike in sex drive, no acne, no hairloss, no bloat, no extra estrogen production) so im like okay ill just use this from now on. I also introduce propecia 1mg everyday into the mix. 3 weeks later hair stops shedding. (I KNOW EVERYONE SAYS NOT TO MIX PROPECIA AND DECA but HEAR ME OUT!!). Okay so that was about 8 months ago. So i cruise on the deca 100mg and test 100mg for about 2 months and decide its time to see how my body responds to larger doses of deca. Keep in mind im still on the propecia. So i introduce 300mg of deca per week and am still on the 100mg of test pw. Sex drive goes up even more. I feel the healthiest ive felt in all my time cycling. Im like do i even need the test at this point? So i drop the test completely. Sex drive even better. 6 months later... still on 300mg deca, cruising on it. Still on propecia. No test. No hair shedding. Hair is thicker than its ever been. My results go against everything ive read on the internet. Point of the story is. EVERYONES BODY IS DIFFERENT SEE WHAT WORKS FOR YOU. And dont be scared to use propecia its amazing if it works for you its worth the try.


maurgains

If you downvote this its cause youre a bald hater lol


testostertwo

Been on NPP for four weeks, and fin for 7 months. No extra shedding until I added mast p last week. Just took my first dut last night, gonna see how this goes. Prepared to drop mast p if dut isnt up to the job. But yeah this is my first run with npp and I love it. Agree that you can only try and see how your body responds.


maurgains

Im not sure the dut will work to block the mast because mast is already a dht. Dut just blocks the 5ar conversion from test. But it can’t hurt to try. Goodluck


testostertwo

Yeah I’m gonna find out. Hopefully I don’t have to abandon mast before I find out what it does for me but i am prepared to


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Already losing my hair but haven’t noticed any increase


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I think it's 100% true. I've done testosterone, tren, masteron (in doses pretty much daring my hair to fall out), Anavar, and superdrol. I'm 43 and still have my luscious hair. I rather obsessively run my hands through my hair looking for evidence of shedding and it never happens. It's easy for me to say, but if you're gonna lose hair from steroids, it's just accelarating the process. Gives you a good chance to get in front of it? Whether that means just embracing it, or pharmaceutical prevention or implants or whatev.


Hayashi2705

Idk, but I have ran some of the worst stuff on hairline. Once cycle I had 700mg of tren on top of 700mg of masteron along with a low dose of test and 50mg winstrol. And every time I run some of those roids which are extremely hard on the hair I notice more hair loss when showering and such but never any shedding or receding. So I do believe it is purely whether you are predisposed or not.


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“Notice more hair loss but never any shedding or receding” Isnt sheddding the same as “more hair loss”?


Swollyghost

From my own experience I noticed my hair thinning when I added 250mg mast weekly with my cycle. I've taken a good break from gear and my hair has stopped thinning sort of. I also think its genetics because my dad went bald in his 20s(I'm 26). I figure I'm going to join the bald beard guy club eventually so I really dont care.


Pray_

I know nothing about steroids but arne't you supposed to be using a DHT blocker with steroids?


Bigreddog253

Ran 500 mg Test E/wk for 16 weeks as my first cycle and luckily didn’t lose any hair. But I don’t thing I’m in the clear, while my fathers side has full heads of long beautiful hair, my mothers siblings are all bald. They also used AAS in their teens irresponsibly running harsh compounds for really long periods of time so idk man. Praying I don’t lose it. Currently 20 years old. This week I started my first Tren/test blast and I’m praying I’m immune.


pandizlle

Native Americans and all native people of the entire Americas so many latino people as well. My family has 0 predisposition for it. Full thick hair on all sides way into old age. It’s my one happy point.


SensitiveCawk

Done a couple of cycles. First one just 400mg test a week and I receded at my temples but this grew back. Second cycle (7 weeks in) of 600mg test a week and 100mg anavar a day. No receding this time around but I have been taking saw palmetto twice daily to help with this, seems to work for me!


alexanbro

How much do you take?


Socawo

Just realised after seeing someone comment on him in the past tense. Wtf happened to Quadfather?


1312simon

I have been been blasting and cruising for 18 months now. Test all the way, masteron 6 months, tren 2 months, anavar and dbol along the way. 3 regular test cycles before that. Tren has by far been the worst, i have noticed a small amount of hairloss (only visible in the front under sharp light). My father started balding when he was around 45 and my brother at 24 is already loosing hair with no steroids. What i am trying to say, is that you cant know before you start. I use Nizoral shampoo, that keeps the shedding away, except on tren.


brewu4

Meh I’ve used high tren anavar etc and have thick full hair. I think it’s more a predisposition


Knowatimsayin

One drug to watch out for is accutane, had 0 hairloss on test/eq cycle and no shedding while on cycle for 12 months straight, then after running accutane 8 months while on 125 mg test, my hair began thinning rapidly and my hairline even receeded slightly throughout the 8 months and stopped within a month after finishing the accutane cycle, my hair has thickened up since but the hairline is unchanged, its “mature” now. Lastly i ran the accutane at 40 mg per day


mob9321

Nizoral for the win. The ketoconazole helps to block the actions of DHT in the scalp. Also, sulforaphane in broccoli sprouts to degrade the bio activity of DHT


HuecoMundoRealEstate

I'm >inclined< to agree with the statement as mpb just...doesn't seem to exist in my family on any side and 500 mg Test E EoD + 100-125 mg Winny ED does nothing to my hair at all buut there are also a lot of compounds that I've never run before including multiple known to be harsh on the hair (drol, dbol, mast, tren, etc...) so I suppose it remains to be seen.


Ultima893

Dude you just said it yourself lol. Your grandpa on your mother's side is bald. MPB is inherited from your mother's side of the family. My Dad is 55 and has a full hat of hair. His dad was 85 and still had a decent amount of hair on his head. My mum's dad starting balding at 23. I'm 26 now and my hair is thin as fuck + receded way back. My dad always joked that I would go bald before he does, and at this rate he is right.