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nationskr

> "Ross store, they literally go in and take a whole rack of clothes and just walk out the store like nothing," said Hernandez. At GameStop, a manager says $5,000 worth of merchandise were stolen. A suspect assaulted an employee to gain entrance to the stockroom. > "It's out of control, and we're in a crisis here in the Mission District," said Roberto Hernandez with the Mission Merchants Association. Crowd of 10+ juveniles assaulting employees and gang robbing stores 3 times in less than a week. It's always the struggling employees and businesses who get the worst of the crime, but hey let's look the other way, screw'em. DA and SFPD need reform.


wannaottom8

How would you reform the SFPD? Will that make it easier for SF to obtain and retain the best cops? From what I am reading part of the SFPD issue is that there aren't enough cops right now, leading to overtime burnout.


barce

Increase wages. Or enact a first time home owner subsidy. That's really it. Most cops commute from as far as Bay Point. I truly feel the spate of deaths by cop, or apathy towards arresting robbers would be fixed if they had a home here & were part of the community instead of suburbanites with zero fucks for SF.


Jealous_Silver359

>Increase wages. Or enact a first time home owner subsidy. That's really it. Most cops commute from as far as Bay Point. I truly feel the spate of deaths by cop, or apathy towards arresting robbers would be fixed if they had a home here & were part of the community instead of suburbanites with zero fucks for SF. > >7ReplyGive AwardShareReportSaveFollow I have been thinking about this as well. The cops should be part of our community. But they already get paid enough. And I have seen plenty of instances where people do not do a good job just cause they get paid more. Eventually, we have the same problem.


barce

True they are not doing a good job. But also there are not enough cops. The one button that SF can press is the cash button. Ok, let's not reward the bad cops. Let's pay anyone that joins a hiring bonus. But wait that breaks the "pay for good work" rule. Police, that are honest, are even saying that if we hired the cops they wanted, it would take years for crime to be fixed. Looking at what happened to NY city in the 1970s (because that's where we're headed), San Francisco will have suburban flight, and a rotten urban core almost the size of the city. There will be a housing crash that will make the previous housing crash look like a vacation.


_rhetoric_

There are less than 1000 SFPD left on the patrol side in SF. About 1600 cops total. There was just a BoS meeting about the staffing crisis. SFPD is no longer competitive with other Bay Area law enforcement agencies. Expect this to get a lot worse in the coming years. Edit: 500 SFPD are 50 years old or above this year and will likely be retiring very soon.


salondesert

Maybe Uncle Enzo will set up a security franchise in San Francisco


rocsNaviars

POOR IMPULSE CONTROL


nationskr

Not to mention Hillary Ronen, just the other day said she wants police not to focus on this. I'm just flabbergasted someone like her can be elected.


_prototype

What's worse is that she ran unopposed for D9


Broad-Night

Idk if it has to be like, an armed police force, but somebody should be focusing on it. I’m as ACAB as anybody but you have to have something to replace a militarized police *with*. I guess a charitable explanation might be that with a dearth of officers there are more vital things for them to triage but idk that I see evidence of that. I literally wrote in “anyone else” for her last election. Useless nimby would rather die than build enough housing so the constituents she claims to support can actually live here.


ArmchairCriticSF

Hillary Ronen is absolutely effin’ USELESS.


StillLifewWoodpecker

Fkn great. Better stay strapped. springfield 1911 and/or sig sauer


Temporary_Public7367

Haven't seen a Sig for sale in the Bay for many months now...


ReachPatriots

Hopefully they’ll all retire at once… then it’ll just be the violent felons out on the streets with no one to stop them except the enlightened voters of SF.


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pandabearak

Lot of arrests in the peninsula lately of perps who were from San Francisco.


_rhetoric_

I don't know why I would know that. Anecdotally a lot of news stories list suspects as residents of close by cities. Plenty are from here as well. This is a mecca though; no penalty if you are caught, plenty of unsuspecting tourists, plenty of money. I've seen social media videos of suspects coming into SF to work "the field" which is what they call commuting to their job doing car break ins. Here's a fun YT video about breaking into cars in SF and how you can get started in this growth career: https://youtu.be/Q0LHhrnF35k


Jealous_Silver359

Nice video, but it's all a lie. Most of these dudes who are doing these petty crimes are broke af. He should do a song about that. But, of course, it is Rap so most of it is BS automatically.


PunctualPoetry

We need more police, less leniency, more aggressive police tactics. Let them loose on these fucks, give them the resources to do so. Prosecute these “juveniles” as adults. Enough of this bullshit.


Swimming_Monitor8150

You will never here an SF politician say these things. You’re right, but it’s not gonna happen. Everyone here has a soft spot for criminals, because they’re seen as victims of a broken system.


JobbieJob

The ruling party of SF prefers to elect leaders that check boxes and feel good (look to mayor, she's the pride of a "broken neighborhood") without considering what cultures that represent.. SF's party has been a reactive/corrupt beuaracracy for decades. They're just hoping to pillage as long as they can before we realize they intend on turning SF in to Detroit/Chicago


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JobbieJob

Uhhh-ohhh looks like SF is gonna face a reckoning if even the non-profit mafia's bullshit is being exposed to the residents. I've been saying this for several years now into the void...those non-profit cliques are dangerous, dont have enough oversight, and absolutely contribute to extremist ideologies.. Had the unfortunate experience of dealing with several SF and Oakland non-profits, never met a more self-absorbed/shady group of people.


PunctualPoetry

Broken system = not paradise But then of course they’re all going to be against genetic engineering, competitive work environments, AI driven educations, and strict academic performance standards. They live in the shadow of the classic Marxist dream, a dream born as an innocent, naive child and carried onto adulthood - one of pure equality and even possibilities for all. A dream that is a fabrication of a simple mind not able or willing to grapple with the nature to which we are born into on this planet.


PryJunaD

Fitting username


_labyrinth__

Yup! Agree


ThreeTwoOneQueef

The mission looks 3rd world like in some areas and now we have the crime to match.


nillavac82

Are you from a 3rd world country? Or is you’re understanding of it what you see on tv. I can tell you for a fact it is not


JobbieJob

What are you even defending? I always wonder with these kinds of posts...you know EXACTLY what they meant .. and you cant help come back with a "NO NO!!! ITS NOT THAT BAD, BE GRATEFUL!"


Jealous_Silver359

People need to come it down with the hyperbole. That is how misinformation gets perpetuated.


JobbieJob

Same with contemporary political buzzwords


Jealous_Silver359

Not sure what you mean, I am not involved in politics much :\\


ThreeTwoOneQueef

No, but Ive been to many. Developing countries is the most appropriate term I guess.


ThaA1alpha650

It’s exactly what the streets of Chad 🇹🇩 and Cameroon 🇨🇲 look like . Are you from a third world country?!


nameismynam3

You sound absolutely ridiculous. Not only is that one of the most inane comments I’ve read lately, but also second hand embarrassment too. You sound like someone who only lives in the city for work.


Internal_Focus_8358

If I could double upvote I would.


nameismynam3

I wish people that make these dramatic comments would go back to their bum fuck homogeneous dry suburbs/states. They’re like robots that need to leech onto everything and it’s never enough for them. At least become part of the communities like supporting near by businesses that have been around for a long time, volunteer with trash cleaning (which we all need to be doing regularly), not being stand-offish and actually talk to the people you see regularly on the block and so on. These things aren’t hard to do it’s called living and getting out of our comfort zone.


ThreeTwoOneQueef

You are making so many suppositions I can't keep up. What if I actually grew up in the mission? Many years ago of course, but I have a deep love for the city and I can't stand the way it has turned out.


Donkey_____

You've clearly never been to a third world country before then.


ThreeTwoOneQueef

Eh, my parents are from a developing country. Lived in one as a child. I don't see why this comment is so offensive to many. The USA is like a developing country with a Gucci belt. Mostly because of inequality.


Donkey_____

It's not offensive, it's ignorant. I have lived in many third world countries. Comparing SF to a third world country is insane.


ThreeTwoOneQueef

Parts are, not all, that should be obvious.


Slapppyface

Why does everyone think the da can stop this? A district attorney is an attorney, all they can do is prosecute. People always say "ChEsA WiLl JuSt LeT tHeM gO", but there is no rationale for saying this. He doesn't let this kind of stuff just go, when is he ever let this kind of crime go without prosecution? [There is no basis for any of this](https://sfist.com/2021/06/15/washington-post-calls-out-inaccurate-reporting-by-chesa-boudins-local-media-critics/). In fact some of the only people he really let off the hook are drug offenses and people who were arrested during the black lives matter lockdowns.


nationskr

Read the second last bullet point. He dials down homicides into extremely lesser charges, and the numbers show it. In fact, the guy from Bayview in that link below was blasting Boudin for it, how is POC family member got killed and the DA basically gave a slap on the wrist. * Driven off at least half the prosecutors in the office, many with decades of experience that cannot be replaced. [This amount of turnover is absolutely not normal with the change of a DA.](https://www.city-journal.org/why-are-so-many-prosecutors-leaving-their-jobs) * [Blasted publicly by judges for "running an office marred by disorganization and turnover"](https://www.sfchronicle.com/sf/article/S-F-judge-blasts-DA-Chesa-Boudin-in-open-court-16497522.php) * [His own POC attorneys have been disgusted to the point they leave and have joined the recall movements](https://archive.ph/O0ii4) * Nobody in the homicide unit has convicted anyone for murder, Half of the prosecutors in the sexual assault unit have less than a year of experience prosecuting sexual assault cases - https://archive.ph/O0ii4 * [Calls the murderer of elderly gramps as having just a 'temper tantrum'](https://abc7news.com/san-francisco-da-chesa-boudin-sf-district-attorney-84-year-old-man-killed/10381125/) * [Threatened prosecutors with termination to withhold evidence that police were responding to a wife beater, even terminating one](https://www.sfexaminer.com/findings/exclusive-the-courtroom-drama-behind-sfpd-and-chesa-boudins-most-recent-feud/), which is NOT for him to decide whether it is relevant or not. Thus further blowing up his relationship with the police. * [Even citizens of Bayview are slamming him as they are disappropriately targets of crime.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10353421/San-Francisco-father-son-shot-dead-2020-slams-DA-charging-killer-17-juvenile.html) * [Takes the side of organized drug dealers on his AMA here in the sub, while 1200 have died of overdose the past 2 years in SF](https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-inquiry/the-trial-of-chesa-boudin) * [Artificially keeps conviction rates up by immediately downgrading serious felonies to misdemeanors](https://susanreynolds.substack.com/p/did-chesa-boudin-really-get-35-murder) * Goes against the mayors move to clean up the tenderloin.


chachismo

Yes. Chesea’s stats are very much in line with previous DAs. If there is no arrest he cannot file charges.


bmc2

Well, it's not like Gascon was a particularly good DA either. So, comparing against him isn't exactly a positive. Even then, Boudin's stats aren't great. The chronicle had a pretty decent article about it here: https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Chesa-Boudin-s-office-just-released-new-data-on-16973247.php They go in depth into a lot more than you can put in a Reddit post.


MaleficentPizza5444

Oh good, he's no worse that the fuck that jumped ship for LA


Slapppyface

I was all for the recall when it first started, but the more I've read about it & the more I think about it, the more I start to second think myself.


Broad-Night

Chesa is prosecuting a higher percentage of arrests than his predecessor. The issue is that there are way way way fewer arrests. Can only assume this is because we all know cops needlessly kill people and escalate situations, but for some reason we can’t just make an alternate public safety force for most situations and hire for that. So we all just say ACAB and then sit on our hands as our dwindling police force just like, protests not being worshipped anymore by refusing to do their jobs. (Or, charitably, is still tasked with handling stuff they should not be on the hook for, and consequentially ignores those situations where you actually do want a cop)


Temporary_Public7367

lol...gtfo out with needlessly killing people. You are brain-washed by BLM. SFPD killed 1 person last year. Dude had a knife and attacked the officers. Sounds pretty justified to me.


Broad-Night

https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/your-sfpd/published-reports/officer-involved-shootings-ois-data this is shootings only and not general excessive force/deaths: they did 2 last year, and 4 the year before. Down from like 11 in 2010 which is great as far as I’m concerned. I don’t know the specifics of the case you’re talking about, but bringing a gun to a knife fight is the definition of escalation. Why’d they need to shoot him instead of taze him? They really had to literally kill this dude him to stop him attacking them? Not saying that’s impossible, but operating from only your comment… seems overkill. I’ll disclose my bias: everyone I know who considers law enforcement a viable career option likes it because they like to be powerful and scary and dangerous and be allowed to have guns. I have a hard time believing SFPD is magically exempt from that, but I sure would love to be wrong.


jakebuseysmile

You’re right, it’s just that every asshole posting in the San Francisco subreddit is a techie libertarian terrified of leaving their house, hates chesa, is willing to overbid by 200 percent to buy a SFH in Hayes valley, and is far more conservative than they want to admit. Don’t expect to get anywhere with the rich twats in here.


Broad-Night

I know you’re right but sometimes I just comment anyway. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I really have no idea what the demographics of this subreddit are, but I just really don’t get the strong, opinionated Chesa hate, even given the possibility that some big chunk of it is astroturfing or people who don’t live here, or that redditors on this particular subreddit are just forming some kind of caustic echo chamber dynamic. For a long time I was like man I dunno maybe they’re right but the more I look at like, stats for his office, the more I think he’s doing his actual job and I start wondering where all this rhetoric is coming from.


Temporary_Public7367

>but bringing a gun to a knife fight is the definition of escalation. So, using only fists in a knife fight would be the definition of "de-escalation"? What kind of lala-land are you living in? \>Why’d they need to shoot him instead of taze him? They really had to literally kill this dude him to stop him attacking them? How many stabs would be acceptable before it isn't overkill? \> I have a hard time believing SFPD is magically exempt from that, but I sure would love to be wrong. Because you personally know every cop in the country and can make that assessment based off the few people you know that wanted to be cops (and did they all even become cops? or did they somehow get weeded out through a selection process?).


Jealous_Silver359

Dude, cops are aholes. They do not give a shit about the city. Those that do are hindered by superiors that stop them. Just look around. Pay attention to what these cops are doing downtown. Hardly anything. I called the cops that a female was been attacked in the Tenderloin and they never showed up. Ridiculous. I know not all cops are evil people, but they enable the BS that is going on.


Temporary_Public7367

Maybe because every time they show up somewhere to do their job, 25 people whip out their cameras and start yelling "YOU CAN'T DO THAT! WHAT ARE YOU DOING! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!"


Jealous_Silver359

I hear you, but we should not be making excuses for their lack of work. And I know it is not all their fault. We all have to work together as a team. As a community, I will continue to report criminals. If I could do more, I would. It's ridiculous how we allow it to become this way. I cannot believe we have not stopped to sell of weapons. We have a lot of dangerous people out here with guns. I promise you, someone who got the guns legally gave it to the criminals.


Puzzleheaded-Owl-404

SFPD don’t carry tazers.


Broad-Night

I stg we just voted on something about their taser policy a couple years ago, so this is news to me. I distinctly remember it because it was a weird attempt by the police union to reverse a court ruling mandating tasers in some circumstance, by putting a less restrictive measure on the ballot so it would take precedence. In like 2018?


Slapppyface

I live on Golden Gate and Hyde, I never see police arrest anyone in the tenderloin. When people blame the DA for the problems around here, I wonder if he's supposed to come out here with handcuffs himself


Broad-Night

I feel like the hard thing is like… by the time the police are called the robbers are gonna be gone. They’re getting really goddamn efficient, so it’s clear it will take a series of pretty coordinated actions and detective work to actually deal with the issue. I don’t know if the SFPD has the resources, incentives, or skills to actually do that. I kinda assume those people either are fringe trolls, or have accidentally consumed the fringe troll propaganda. It sounds like it could be true, right? Most progressive platform on a DA ever, now crime is up. And also, people get scared and then they support harsher measures even if those are shown not to be effective. If you’re not feeling safe you’re not gonna feel comfortable sitting down and waiting calmly for a data driven approach to show results. You will want to use force to make the crime stop now, and you are gonna feel intuitively like that is gonna work. But if SFPD arrests those kids and a new DA sends them to crime school aka prison, shit is not gonna get better in our neighborhoods when they get out.


Jealous_Silver359

I called the police about women being attacked and they never showed up. I gave the operator my name and number and they never followed up on it. Prison is also reforming by introducing more programs as opposed to keeping people inside their cells. Everyone should be held accountable: Police should respond to emergencies, DA should prosecute, Criminals should learn better behavior, and The community (You, me, everyone here ) should be more involved by at the very least reporting the crime we see every day.


hardware1197

Just pay attention in Contracts....that's where the money is...and you'll be fine


whatever54267

Increased poverty equals increased crime, this will just get worse until this country stops being a third world nation in the making.


nationskr

Plenty of poverty everywhere in this country, but you don't get this type of blatant, organized consistent gang property crime.


OP90X

Yep. People parroting for more cops and harsher DA are being very naive about the macro system that gave us these results we have now. SF is the microcosm canary in the coal mine for the country as a whole imo.


alexgalt

Actually blm moment is partially to blame. The police need more money to hire people not less money. So the citizens get what we deserve.


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alexgalt

Well also inflation has been high and Silicon Valley towns have been stealing police officers due to higher pay. Which means the worse ones are left and it’s harder to hire.


kelp_forests

Look at those goalposts move! (Shades eyes, looks off in distance)


_rhetoric_

I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted. Clearly the effect of DEFUND is being felt in nationwide recruiting. They are getting what they want because young people entering the workforce have only heard about what a piece of shit you are if you want to be a cop. No one wants to hear what you are saying but it's obvious.


kelp_forests

Have cops done anything to dissuade people of that notion?


alexgalt

Exactly. I know several cops who have quit in the last 2 years because they are tired of being berated by the people who they want to protect.


TheSpeckler

The businesses don't get shit man, they write it off as a loss and get a tax credit for it. It's straight up just the employees and people actually shopping there that get traumatized by being robbed.


nationskr

Absolutely false. A lot of these businesses are too poor to have insurance, or deductibles way too high. The small business owners absolutely can lose everything they worked for.


TheSpeckler

We're talking about GameStop here man, they have the money.


wannaottom8

There are ways to deal with this, but they all involve restricting or selectively suspending civil liberties, which most people don't want to do. EDIT: All the downvotes on my observation befuddles me. Was it the part about "restricting or selectively suspending civil liberties" or the part about "most people don't want to do \[that\]"?


golmal3

You could have also said that about COVID. That’s what separates us from China.


wannaottom8

That's exactly what separates us from authoritarian sates. I wasn't advocating for "restricting or selectively suspending civil liberties", merely stating that most solutions proposed seem to do just that to some extent. The current DA is facing a recall because he is seen as erring too much on the side of civil liberties. A hard-on-crime DA will not worry as much about a little collateral damage as long as they can reduce crime.


Jealous_Silver359

I am glad they arrested 2 of these dumb kids. Most likely they will snitch on their stupid friends. All for a freaking video game. Where tf are their parents/guardians?!?


19-90

Doing the same thing somewhere else lol


hardware1197

guardians: gAVIN nEWSOM


Binthair_Dunthat

The police tell people not to fight back. Few arrests, rare prosecution and convictions. How is this supposed to stop? What’s next, flying the white flag of surrender from City Hall?


dissmissivenudge

Vigilante justice is probably what’s next. People will be fed up and want to protect their community.


csoi2876

Rooftop Korean - SF Edition


WishIWasYounger

They will Geotz even.


bo_doughys

We must be willing to take up arms in order to protect our neighborhood GameStop.


redditnathaniel

Authorization to shoot thieves in the backs.


AccountThatNeverLies

Illegal private armies are already a thing. Being an armed guard while having SF residency is impossible due to the idiotic policy regarding conceal carry permits which is basically "since red states make it easy we make it impossible because we are blue" or something like that. Of course places that move a lot of cash or have highly desirable loot, like weed dispensaries, end up either shaken down by a gang or paying for security that illegally carries a firearm. Some groups like shop owners on 24th or Turkish tobacco shop networks on Mission also have shady neighborhood watches or dubiously legal armed private security waiting on cars around the shops. Ever wonder why those never get hit? Yeah.


sumdudeinhisundrware

Licensed security guards can open carry. Ever see the security outside of some banks? Hopefully an upcoming supreme court ruling will force municipalities to issue concealed carry permits to those with no records. "Shall Issue" instead of "May Issue".


AccountThatNeverLies

Yeah but they can't conceal carry and also you can't hire the security guards that can open carry to be on the sidewalk. They have to be inside or taking care of a vehicle or something. Only cops can open carry on the sidewalk, you can hire them to do OT but it's expensive as fuck and very hard to schedule. That's why LV and Gucci now have cops, they tried to hire armed guards but they had to be inside the store and it "ruins the experience". Conceal carry guards is more like a MAD of sorts, more discrete and won't bother the daily life of anyone unless shit hits the fan but if shit hits the fan it's going to be a really bad day for the thieves too.


mamielle

Look up the history of California’s gun control laws. Reagan pushed for gun restrictions because the black panthers were legally arming themselves. So it was Republicans who decided that the state should have a monopoly on arms rather than allow black people to be armed.


TheCandelabra

> So it was Republicans who decided that the state should have a monopoly on arms rather than allow black people to be armed. There needs to be a statute of limitations on blaming Reagan / Republicans for California's problems. Reagan stopped being governor 47 years ago. The governor is a Democrat and the Democrats have had a veto-proof supermajority in the legislature since 2018. If they wanted to change the law, they could.


AccountThatNeverLies

I'm very much aware of the story and I'm very much aware how toxic republicans are and how little they care for the bill of rights, you are preaching to the choir. I'm also very much aware counties have autonomy to decide who they give conceal carry permits to. Republicans don't matter shit in SF, Breed or the Sheriff's department hold 100% of the responsibility for what I'm complaining about.


dissmissivenudge

You will never get a ccw in sf but they are easy to get in other parts of California


AccountThatNeverLies

Yeah and then you need to cover commute and parking for your sorry ass of a security guard that has to commute from Monterey county or lie to the government about where he lives.


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dissmissivenudge

Not sure about murder is appropriate but citizens who stop them from stealing saying “no more of this” would be cool. If everyone in the store stepped up then it would send a message to the DA, the police, the thieves, the community, and the rest of the world/US.


ddman9998

Umm, murder (what youbare advocating for) is worse than stealing video games.


madalienmonk

Maybe if we keep repeating the mantra "Crime is ackhtually down" it will become reality!?


AccountThatNeverLies

Lie like it's 2019


leed25d

Once that was a dig at republicans.


ImpossibleReality903

>The police tell people not to fight back. Few arrests, rare prosecution and convictions. How is this supposed to stop Look at our politics, see who our DA is, see what our priorities are? We told the police not to fight back as well.


Context_Kind

No we didn’t. The police decided to not do their jobs.


Broad-Night

https://missionlocal.org/2022/04/chesa-boudin-files-more-charges/ The DA is prosecuting more than his predecessor, there are just no arrests to work with rn.


Meeplejohn

He files charges but he reduces them, drops them, or pleads it out later. He is padding his stats. Also, many people are released pending trial and just continue to commit crimes. Often times they are arrested multiple times and still released.


nationskr

Charges mean absolutely nothing, convictions are what matter. Your own article admits Chesa is trash in this > As a result, convictions have shown a marked decline under Boudin


Broad-Night

Lol you don’t wanna quite the whole sentence, huh? The proportion of convictions to “successful diversions” has changed, but they’re still getting charged, and it seems like as far as we know, diversions are working just as well as incarcerations. > But one-year recidivism rates have stayed relatively constant over the past five years, according to Mikaela Rabinowitz, the Director of Data, Research, and Analytics at the DA’s office.


nationskr

Ha, “successful diversions” as in get out, murder more people? Thanks, I'll add these links and more to the list of blood on Boudins hands https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Fatal-hit-and-run-DA-Boudin-charges-suspect-15845917.php https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/a-mother-murdered-by-her-son-in-san-francisco-did-chesa-boudin-do-the-right-thing/


Harpua81

"Some of the people doing this are juveniles who are in poverty and really in need of help." Fuck that noise. They do it because they're dirtbags and know they won't get caught.


ShereKhann

Don’t be a hater. Just play the game the way it’s played and start robbing people. Idk why anyone has a “real” job anymore


BeseptRinker

>Some of the people doing this are juveniles who are in poverty and really in need of help. Taking care of that and keeping in mind the root causes are also really important," said Megan Mercurio who lives in the Mission neighborhood. I've stayed in poor areas both in the US and abroad, and normal precautions aside, I've seldom felt unsafe. People were poor, yes, but vast majority of them weren't hostile, and were trying to get by day to day at their jobs. And I highly doubt the root cause is solely poverty - it's the fact that these people are enabled to do it over and over again because they know employees won't fight back if they come armed, and if they get caught, they'll be let back onto the streets soon with little or no repercussion. If they're stealing thousands of dollars worth of merchandise and still staying poor, the cause isn't poverty - it's something else.


wannabepowerlifter

It's the same tired argument using poverty as a scapegoat being made for youth around the country. Blaming their actions on poverty ignores the upbringing and culture that makes them think this kind of behavior is ok.


BeseptRinker

Exactly. There's a misconception that poverty is the root of those problems when in reality, it's a byproduct. Trying to link it as if a societal problem gives these offenders a free pass - it's the enablist behavior that allows these offenders to keep escalating


GoldenBull1994

Holy shit, I stopped by there when I visited. Hope the folks there are okay.


IMovedYourCheese

If you have been around that part of Mission lately it's basically Tenderloin Lite. What used to be the most vibrant neighborhood and community in San Francisco is now an open air drug and shoplifted goods market.


girltawkSF

Yah— I'm a local and the 24th street BART plaza is a total shitshow these days. There must be people selling super surrious drugs in the neighborhood. If they are stopped, the addicts and secondary market might follow? I dunno. I still love this city so so much.


Emergency_Touch5106

Agree. It is sad... Because before the pandemic that place was not bad at all. Sometimes there was music, I think the most annoying thing back then was the group of people who talked about religion for hours. Now there are just people selling stolen items.


jszly

It’s TL heavy. Tenderloin Plus+ if you will


AccountThatNeverLies

I had to move out of what was my favorite neighborhood ever because the screaming and loud music on the sidewalk was out of control. Two of my friends moved inwards from Mission and also moved out because they got unlucky and got a sideshow corner.


SwitchShift

Please don’t drive the one remaining physical video game store in the city out of business… please


saintgemini

There's a small GameStop in Stonestown Galleria!


defauck

Was just at the new target there and they had multiple armed guards, guns and tasers (not even our PD is allowed tasers). Surprised to still see a lot of merch behind locked glass. Will continue to go to Colmas target


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enddawhites

lol but they really are like the last ones left in the city after downtown and the pier ones closed up shop


bassicallybad

I upvoted this twice


AlternativeTale6066

>Some of the people doing this are juveniles who are in poverty and really in need of help. Taking care of that and keeping in mind the root causes are also really important," said Megan Mercurio who lives in the Mission neighborhood. Remember, in San Francisco, the perps are the real victims.


iamfareel

Lol ppl in poverty need electronics to survive? You know they aren't selling that they're actually playing those games


enddawhites

yes? that new elden ring game is fire


jonsnowknowsnothing_

Whoosh


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harnessinternet

Yes they’re poking fun at what actually is the dominant politics supported by the majority here, how else is this policy?


sophiasadek

We are living in a whole new world. I seriously doubt that a more hard nosed DA would make a difference in these cases.


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Flash tactics are really hard to get cops too fast enough. I’m sure this tactic will eventually spread to banks. It doesn’t seem to matter what kind of politics or enforcement style matters. These seem to be happening all over now. Unless you somehow infiltrated the mobs. Idk if you could stop it.


wannaottom8

> I’m sure this tactic will eventually spread to banks Back in the old days, gangs of organized criminals robbed banks. Now the criminals are organized over social media. Social Media has really brought down the cost/effort of organizing so many things, from politics to group events to robberies and heists. We will definitely be seeing more of this. I think the only way to stop this is to allow merchants/shop keepers to do more of their own policing without the risk of reprisal. Pretty sure a security guard won't get in trouble if they shoot an armed bank robber because money talks and people need to feel that their money is safe in the bank.


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It’s interesting because there are essentially two versions of shops in dystopian future shows. Super caged entrenches and lots of security or pandemic like strong boxes where you do all transactions in a small area and a person behind a bullet proof glass just has a giant shop behind them and you ask for stuff. Which are the two simplest forms of self security. Which like you point out will probably be the eventual outcome.


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These look like dumb young adults. I'm sure they could catch at least one by looking at cell phone geolocation data. You could just use facial recognition databases. Like Ukraine made the news for recently using it to identify deceased troops. That would solve this kind of crime pretty fast. So there are probably lots of ways to solve these crimes using existing technology. I mean I'm a minimum wage guy, and I came up with those ideas drunk in like 15 seconds lmfao. They just won't do it. Eventually though, I think stores will switch to the amazon model. There'll probably be apps created for small family businesses to do the same thing that amazon stores do. Obviously no one would sign up separate accounts for every small store, but if some app developer made one that worked to gain entry into stores universally that would be amazing. Shops could just have a gate or locked door like train stations have, and you swipe your phone with a QR code generated by your account and it opens. I imagine that there'll eventually be a blacklist of thieves whose QR codes don't work, kind of like airlines have right now. Either way, if big American cities' policy makers can't put a stop to this crazy shit, eventually tech bros will solve it for them.


PunctualPoetry

We need infiltration, dissemination, surveillance, and relentlessness to arrest the perpetrators after the fact if they can’t during. These people need to feel there is significant risk in doing this, that they will be sought until they are arrested. That is the solution.


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If there is really a single perpetrator to be linked, some of these feel randomly organic. Also, teenagers are just prone to be wild and this seems like it could just be groups of teens being dumb. They do it till it gets boring. They don’t need fences cause they never set it out as a money thing. They will just wear shit or give it away or leave it in a pile in the corner of their room and forget about it. Can’t track and infiltrate that kind of shit.


PunctualPoetry

Yes you absolutely can track it. Track where they went, find one or two and they’ll rat on their friends. I don’t care if they’re kids being “bored”, those types of kids need to be removed from the streets and face significant discipline.


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No. You cannot track it. How do you know where “they” went? Once they are out of line of sight. They are gone. They don’t sell this stuff to a fence. They just keep it. So tracking stuff is literally impossible since it’s never sold. What is sold can be tracked but not if it’s bought by a fence. I think you underestimate how much kids are aware of not talking about your friends. And how much the justice system in a way can as you’d like it done “lean” on them. Which, in petty crime. It ain’t much. Even the simple battery charge is a misdemeanor. You gonna RICO some kids under 19yrs old? Do you know how many judges would laugh you out the damn room? They would shove the gavel so far up your ass you’d never walk into a court room again without PTSD.


PunctualPoetry

The naivety here is hilarious. So helpless. We need more cameras throughout the city, tracking where they go, what car they get into, license plate, tracking that car, faces, scans, etc…. This isn’t 1990s law and order, we have tech available to track this shit. If we could get over our obsession with “civil liberties” we might be able to actually do something about this shit. I’m absolutely recommending these poor kids get more than a slap on the wrist and some days out of school to play the video games they stole. This event should be a lesson of discipline, not one of “kids will be kids”. I see no difference between a “kid” who’s 16 and an “adult” who is 19 committing these crimes. Teach them hard lessons while they’re young. Not saying 5 years, but certainly more than 5 days. SF doesn’t need to become the next south side Chicago or Oakland. We can put a lid on this now.


poetgravity

I am from the south side of Chicago and what you're saying is dramatic. In the south side, you will see 19+ year olds with records get minors to commit crimes for them. It is all part of gang exploitation of minors and is a vicious cycle. There are 30,000+ cameras in Chicago yet 2021 is one of the deadliest years on record. Areas where surveillance is located did in fact have less crime overall -- because people commit the crimes where the cameras ARE NOT LOCATED, areas where crime INCREASES. You have a stance which revolves around police surveillance state and enacting harsh punishment but with little else to offer. You can keep cutting down the weeds but it isn't going to the root. You call people naive (yet you say "teach them hard lessons while they are young" which is a total joke and so terribly naive yourself) and helpless (you can't decide between five days and five years because sentencing length does little to reduce crime and you are as aware as anyone that putting kids in jail will fuck them up and make them more likely to commit crimes) when the truth is you are advocating for both of those things. Unless you are willing to say there are several approaches to solving the problem, which involves community outreach, social justice, AND better enforcement, then you are just here basking in your own outrage and being condescending.


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If we could get over our obsession with civil liberties. Hey man. You can move somewhere that is less obsessed with it. Go to Florida. That’s the thing man. You’ve got the freedom to leave and we have the freedom to be obsessed with our civil liberties. You sound a little unhinged. Just a little bit. Because a flash mob happened at a GameStop and a few other stores you think the next step is that our murder rate and gang on gang violence is going to triple? Dude. Wow. Move away. Just go.


PunctualPoetry

Nope. I’ll stay right here and change the city. This is not ‘your’ city. I’m not unhinged, I’m disappointed.


EaglesandBirds

>I’m not unhinged, I’m disappointed. [umm...](https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif) Your prior comment advocates for a 1984-esque police state level of surveillance and the treatment of 16 year olds as adults in a court of law, so personally I'd reconsider that statement.


Oracle619

The city is falling apart socially and your solution is to ask people who want to fix it to move away. SF deserves what it gets with a population filled with folks like you.


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I don’t think putting up a shit ton of CCTV/Facial Recognition systems everywhere is going to solve it. That’s his idea. Is that your idea of how to improve things? It’s also no going to shit. You’re over exaggerating by a lot a lot. Like so much hundreds of thousands of people had a nice awesome day today in SF. Not you. You’re probably always miserable. But seriously our problems will all be solved by CCTV and Facial recognition. Got it.


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Thanks for mansplaining that for me is this your original thought or is this a direct quote from Foucault’s Crime and Discipline? It’s so concise, so much so that if it actually worked it would be how everything is done everywhere, and yet it’s not. Hmmm…….


PunctualPoetry

We need surveillance and investigations that don’t end until police are knocking down these hood rat’s doors. That’s the solution. It IS NOT acceptable to let this go on.


ValerianMoonRunner

What are your doubts based on?


OfficerBarbier

A DA who guarantees the SFPD he/she will fully prosecute these morons working for organized crime rings, and a police department funded and ordered by the Mayor fully investigate and nab the shot-callers organizing these thieves can make a huge difference. Think major crackdown with a huge taskforce. The scumbags organizing and hiring these kids and thugs to steal for them to turn an easy profit will reevaluate these operations once it becomes too risky or unprofitable for them. This wasn’t going on 20 years ago when penalties were still real.


OrnaMint

Gaslighters will say “Crime is down.”


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ddman9998

Yoy are advocating for murder, which is, get this, a WORSE thing than theft.


alexgalt

It’s not murder. It’s self defense. Someone is pointing a gun at you, you can shoot them. You will be acquitted of murder. So legally it’s not murder. The thing we can argue about is what’s better for society. On one hand, ending a life ends any potential good contributions that that person might make throughout the rest of their lifetime. That is not worthwhile to trade for sone objects. On the other hand, ending that life ends any potential bad things that that person might make throughout their lifetime. Also, it may prevent others from doing the same crime because fear of being killed. To me, ensuring my safety and at the same time establishing the rule of law is more important. If they came in with a gun and robbed me, I would not think twice.


KitchenNazi

My bay bridge drawbridge idea will catch on one day!


PatienceHopeful

Unpopular opinion..I’m ready for the national guard to start patrolling the streets. This is insane.


Spoonolulu

I was in Philly when the Pope visited and had the National Guard patrolling my block. I've never felt safer and I'd welcome regular National Guard patrols here in SF. Hell, even if we just post the National Guard at Walgreens I'd feel better.


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Unpopular opinion, I’m fine with crime continuing to rise and go unregulated


madalienmonk

Business as usual then?


Hedge_Fan1979

Thats not unpopular, it just makes you a progressive


Luci415

Chesa and his goons are all a bunch of jokes


KenGriffinLiedAgain

GME shorts getting real desperate...


yeeee_hawwww

California the Golden State for crimes.


Realassedman

You're wrong. Redditors have data and graphs to show you that you are wrong. Crime is less now. According to the data it was more dangerous to live in the city in the 70s. Unless you actually use your brain and your eyes. Then the crime might be worse.


robotsympathizer

Wait, but then what will I get outraged over?


Gold-Rip-5634

At least they didn't take any PS5


tyinsf

Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,


Truckercarlson110

Savages


Ravashing_Rafaelito

I actually seen this. There's a large group of white skater kids that have been roaming the streets. I also saw the same group completely tag/graffiti a bus while it was picking up people.


mamielle

There’s WAY more tagging and graffiti lately. I rather like it myself, but I understand why a lot of people don’t.


PrometheusZer0

But I was told there's no crime in SF?


ddman9998

Nobody told you that.


toasty99

I sure am tired of this recall campaign. Can we limit “crimes to be scared of” to a weekly thread or something?


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Oracle619

Spoiler: they are dumbass. Even if not physically, the emotional trauma of being a whipping post for vigilantes backed by leftist progressives must be difficult for part time employees just trying to get by in the world’s most expensive city.


VeterinarianCalm8783

It’s the shorts


RevolutionaryOil5468

Republican propaganda. You're all eating it up. /s


SweetPenalty

far-left gaslighting


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Unless you're a PS5, I'm pretty sure you'll be safe.


Try-Valuable

Wish CC was more common in the city. Would help take care of these heinous crimes.


Berkyjay

There's a Gamestop in the Mission?