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youtellmebob

Message is simple. Voting Republican means you support: More Mass Shootings. Women’s loss of reproductive rights. Government imposed by violence instead of democratic elections The End of the American Experiment.


Proud3GnAthst

Don't forget teen suicides, maternal mortality, medical debt, child poverty, white Supremacy, special privileges for straight white men, teen pregnancy and mass historical ignorance.


ThePresidentsNipples

Crime rates skyrocket when unwanted babies turn to teens after being neglected and abused when they need love the most. One good way to avoid this is to insure people who don't want to parent or could never afford to don't have to.


OutrageousMatter

And when you have those teens becoming adult, they will one day overthrow the government as they will heavily resent the government. Look what happened in Romania when a dictator banned abortion , The one's that were raised in horrible conditions killed both of them for what they caused.


alwaysonthedamnphone

Not necessarily. My dad just ended up murdering a random guy


ProofJournalist

But was he aborted?


alwaysonthedamnphone

No. But, it would’ve been the best course of action


kgleas01

Dismantling of public education


ndnkng

You left out 20 year wars


Kalashnikov21

Both parties fully endorse the military industrial complex. That issue is firmly bipartisan unfortunately.


xxtoejamfootballxx

Honesty the sheer amount of issues seems to be a problem for Dem messaging. They should pick 1 or 2 wedge issues and run on them hard to improve messaging. At this point evening gets so diluted.


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Republicans know this and are okay with it. The honest ones admit it, the dishonest ones pretend it’s about something else and they’ll use a lot of illogical horseshit to convince others, which is the process they use to convince themselves.


Rated_PG-Squirteen

And the literal "end" will also be exacerbated by Republicans because they refuse to do anything to combat climate change.


outerworldLV

And corruption. We’re still cleaning house from the last criminal GOP President.


NitedJay

Basically the end of life as we know it. Great.


HappyApple99999

Also outlawing birth control and homosexuality


enoughfuckingexcuses

You forgot Corruption Lies Sedition Obstructing justice Abuse of power Judicial activism There are 4 years worth of headlines but moderates seem more interested in reaching across the aisle for more status quo. In a 2 person popularity contest, you don’t win by trying to be as similar to the other guy as you can.


youtellmebob

Good point, there was so much blatant, overt corruption. The American people grew numb to it. To all of it, the idiocy, the racism, the vileness… just another day in the Turd Reich. Joe Biden wanted it to be politics as usual, his idealized version where your opponents weren’t trying to burn the country down. Dems need to wake up, where the message is “Republicans are vile treasonous scumbags (unless your name is Cheney, Kinzinger or sometimes Romney)”.


count023

If only the democrats had someone good on messaging. I still expect despite all this the midterms to be a red wedding. Democrats excel at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory unfortunately and the added GOP bullshit this election is going to make it even harder to overcome


diskokiss

Instead they’ll campaign on “not-Trump” and get absolutely demolished 👍


MrKite80

Voting Democrat means you support hand wringing in response to those things. Or maybe a song outside the Capitol!


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Probably add the end of gay marriage and gay rights to the list. Interracial marriage, women’s right to vote? The sky is the limit!


FreeSkeptic

And forcing raped 11 year olds to die for zygotes.


LiveFreeDieRepeat

I don’t support any of those things


skkITer

If you vote for republicans, you are actively supporting those things.


LiveFreeDieRepeat

That’s why I haven’t voted for a single Republican in 20 years and I always vote


Septic-designer

Not true... screw the political lines and vote based on the person's merits.... use your brian or just be a politicians sheep.


skkITer

Those **are** the merits of the Republican Party.


LiveFreeDieRepeat

I vote only for Dems. In today’s hyper-partisan world, politics is a team game. My only exception is if a Dem brags about grabbing women by the pussy, then I vote for the Independent — I have my standards.


Pando-lorian

Well let's hope.


throwawayainteasy

I've got no hope. The DNC sucks at messaging and has for a long time. The silver lining of the Roe ruling is it puts something on the table for campaigning other than inflation and gas prices. They should, right now, have a flurry of legislation about abortion rights and all the others SCOTUS just put on notice for being clawed back. Make republicans vote on them and hammer the message that those things taken are at risk and shouldn't be taken for granted. But they won't. The bulk of their messaging will still probably be Trump and Gun Control which, as important as they may be, aren't changing anyone's mind about who they're voting for.


buzmeg

> The DNC sucks at messaging and has for a long time. *Half the damn country* is down with this shit until it kicks *them* in the balls. Remember: "He's not hurting the *right* people." The *second largest number of voters in history* cast ballots for the dumbest con man in existence. The orange clown *increased* his support in *minorities*. When people are willing to stab themselves twice in order to see other people get stabbed once, what the hell do you suggest?


TheAlternativeToGod

Yeah. It's insane. The only demographic Trump lost from 16 to 20 was actually white men.


samsounder

Then take messaging into your own hands. “I have no hope” is a terrible message.


throwawayainteasy

I am not the DNC and have the ability to be honest about them. Just because I'm opposed to the GOP doesn't make it my job to help cover up the DNC's overall incompetence. Edit: also kinda insane you seem to agree that they're so massively incompetent, and you think private citizens shouldn't talk about how incompetent they are to help them out.


The_Lost_Jedi

This isn't about the DNC. It's about all of us. If the DNC profits from us doing what we need to do to save the fucking country, that's really not what I'm concerned about right now. We have a lot worse things to worry about than petty venal corruption among the Democratic party apparatchiks. There will also be lots of time to deal with that shit later, once everything else is no longer on fire, because if the fire consumes us all, it won't make one damn bit of difference about the DNC anyway.


sweens90

So many people dont vote thats its more about people showing up to vote than it is changing someone’s mind. And vote in primaries too people if yours hasn’t passed. If you are pissed at the Democrats too then this is where you do it.


kciuq1

>The DNC sucks at messaging and has for a long time. Who gives a shit that they "suck at messaging". They don't have anything like the right wing billionaires that fund the Right Wing Cinematic Universe. The answer right now is to vote out every single Republican on your ballot.


Pando-lorian

Ok.


Approval_Guy

Then fucking fight. Even if you have no hope. Die when you die. Don't do it now when it matters most.


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Pando-lorian

Please, spam this link just a little more.


RockMeIshmael

They will say “Roe is on the ballot” and send you a bunch of fundraising emails. That’s about the extent of it.


MinervaNow

Exactly. Dems had literal decades to pass federal legislation guaranteeing the right to abortion. They never did it. Dems are worthless.


Clownsinmypantz

Dems need to be screaming from the roofstops, not singing "God Bless America", they don't start being vocal it starts to put out the image that perhaps the dems in charge also wanted this.


sweens90

Its so fucking tone depth I wonder how it came about. Hopefully the Boys makes fun of this in season 4.


camxct

>Its so fucking tone depth I wonder how it came about. *tone-deaf :)


sweens90

Well no one accused me of being smart


TenderloinGroin

*smaat


crazy1000

It came about because of poor timing on passing a gun control law and remembering the Uvalde victims. It was completely unrelated to the abortion ruling.


thatnameagain

They were singing that at a Uvalde shooting memorial. The media misrepresented it and the only people quicker to use it as preconceived outrage than Fox News was Reddit progressives.


abuks89

exactly… Carlin said it best “its a big club, and you ain’t in it”


deeziegator

The feckless Democrats lost, the progressives lost, the evangelicals, billionaires, and gun nuts won. The Senate and SCOTUS offer no hope for a progressive future any time in the next two decades. Shit, this worthless administration is trying to get rid of gas tax instead of just making public transit free. They’re passing laws to protect SCOTUS instead of investigating Thomas’s involvement in a seditious conspiracy. 2022 election is going to be worse than 2020, and 2024 is going to be worse than that. Just despondent.


thatnameagain

How the hell is the president supposed to make public transport in multiple cities free???


deeziegator

At the very least reimburse federal employees and federal contractors for transit costs through executive order, at best make Congress push through the Freedom to Move Act. But we’re already 4+ months into a once in a generation opportunity to reduce gas consumption through better transit, and the best these fucks come up with is a gas tax holiday.


outerworldLV

Hopefully there’s early voting now, in multiple states.


Rosijuana1

Urgently clueless democrats bring coffee cake to a gun fight.


cachedcookies

But will the Democratic Party infuse money, personnel and other support to actively campaign and organize on college campuses to turnout the youth vote on this issue with strong emphasis on downballoting--- cuz that is about the only thing that creates an effective counter to the red wave that will be driven by bad economics. Over 60% of all abortions are sought by women in their late teens-20s.


fhjuyrc

Narrator: no


SecretComposer

There's a feedback loop going on here. Angry Democratic voters at the Party feeling ignored Roe overturned Democrats get enraged it happened Party says to vote for them Democratic voters angry saying voting won't do anything and therefore don't vote Republicans win Republicans take away more rights Democratic voters get angry all over again...


InclementImmigrant

I'm not going to lie, I am so fucking disheartened and tired with the Democratic party. Telling me that Roe is on the ballot , telling me to vote harder while knowing full well that Democrats completely fucked up protecting the woman's right to choose when they let their own members obstruct the efforts earlier this year to codify it knowing full fucking well that this partisan SC was going to gut it. Do your jobs first before telling me I need to work harder while the only ones even advocating for action are progressives.


thatnameagain

What do you mean they let their members obstruct it? It was the Republicans who unanimously blocked it in the Senate. Progressives are in the Democratic Party, FYI.


InclementImmigrant

Republicans and moderate Manchin voted against advancing the bill and he's also has gone on the record, along with moderate Sinema stating they would not budge on removing the filibuster for passing abortion rights and they have not changed their stance.


The_Lost_Jedi

So what do you suggest? Kick them out of the party? Great, now the Senate is Republican, nothing is still getting passed, AND we can't nominate judges, which is the fucking reason Roe got overturned in the first place. It sucks, Manchin and Sinema suck, but the only recourse is to vote in more/actual Democrats, and to primary those two when it comes around for their reelection (though good luck with WV, Manchin's shitheadedness has actually made him more popular there, not less).


thatnameagain

Correct, my question was what do you mean by they “allowed“ it? You’re saying you have evidence that they were OK with Manchin and Sinema doing that?


Pacifix18

Republicans fuck things up and you blame Democrats. Right.


Mr_Mouthbreather

Republicans fuck things up. Democrats promise to fix them and don’t.


Pacifix18

Democrats have put forth a lot of bills - for healthcare, voting rights, infrastructure, minimun wage, and all sorts of things that would benefit *everyone* - that got blocked by Republicans. Blaming Democrats is falling into the Republican narrative.


Mr_Mouthbreather

Democrats fail because they don’t fight. Biden should be strong arming senators into voting for his agenda. It would be a shame if the DOJ started investigating Manchin, Sinema, and others finances. It would be a shame if all the dirty shit the GOP senators have done made it to the public. Democrats should be holding town halls in Kentucky spreading the word how McConnell has been screwing over the people of Kentucky. The DNC should be supporting local and state level progressives instead of supporting whoever knows the most rich people.


Tapiture-

Democrats fight but ineffectively. “When they go low, we go high” sounds good but in practice it’s a complete fecking disaster of a strategy. If one side is cheating but the other side refuses to, you may have the moral high ground but guess what? The cheaters still win.


Mr_Mouthbreather

They refuse to even hold the cheaters accountable. They just tweet about it and complain about it on MSNBC.


Kekira

They have no shame. All they'd do is just switch parties and they're good a guaranteed Republican majority.


InclementImmigrant

Let's see Manchin joins with the Republicans to tank the bill. Moderates say they won't lift a finger to codify abortion rights. Democrats continue to support anti-choice members. Yeah, you're damn right I place some of the blame on Democrats. I place blame where blame is due and I don't blindly defend Democrats or Progressives when they fuck up. Moderates fuck things up and you make excuses for them. Yeah, that's right. Edit: So brave there ShadownetZero, call it a shit take and then cowardly block.


ShadownetZero

shit take


repuselkcip

I feel like you're mischaracterizing their argument. I didn't take that as blaming the democrats more than republicans. Just holding democrats accountable for their own fecklessness. I saw another comment saying it feels like the Republicans are the school shooter and the Democrats are the Uvalde police department. Are they the same? No but the "good guys" aren't really trying to fight the psychopaths. In fact, it feels like they're there specifically to stop anyone who actually wants to fight for justice. Nancy Pelosi just gave a shit ton of money to a "pro-life" democrat because she genuinely hates the left that much. If establishment Democrats fought to codify Roe like they fight progressive candidates, we wouldn't be in the mess we are now.


wordscollector

Are you blaming the fireman or the arsonist?


LiveFreeDieRepeat

Time to put on my rainbow cape and kick some GOP ass


prompt_skeptic69

Should be a gift horse. Don't fuck it up. Women make up over half the electorate. And younger people want no part of this right wing evangelical movement. VOTE.


tara1245

White evangelicals are in serious decline and dying off. This is just going to further alienate young voters. This is a disaster for the GOP IMO. > The interesting thing about the [white evangelical movement](https://www.grid.news/story/politics/2022/05/06/the-religious-right-is-shrinking-what-does-that-mean-for-the-future-of-the-anti-abortion-movement/) is it has been both shrinking and aging over the last decade. As of 2006 or so, white evangelicals were over 20 percent of the population. They’re down to 14 percent of the population today. >However, one of the reasons why they do wield as much power in political space is because 8 in 10 white evangelicals are inside the Republican camp. They make up nearly one-third of self-identified Republicans. Despite that fact, they’re shrinking — their median age today is 56, the median age of the country is 47. They’re considerably older than the population because they’re losing young people — but because they’re so heavily loaded into one political party, they still retain influence.


90Carat

Roe has been on the ballot for decades. The right made it a wedge issue long ago. If Dems are coming to this conclusion now, then Dem leadership is just fucking lost.


kenlasalle

This headline was the winner of the 2022 Most Obvious Statement Ever Award! Give 'em a big hand!


xena_lawless

Democrats should codify Roe now, before the midterms, or at least put the question to the Senate. How is that not obvious. Why should anyone be outraged by this easily solvable problem?


ShadownetZero

I don't think you understand what's needed for an amendment to pass.


GoldenC0mpany

The urgency should have been back in 2016 when people were trying to “both sides” Trump and Hillary and decided they would just vote 3rd party or stay home. Bernie or bust? Well it’s a bust!!


icenoid

Unfortunately, every single election matters. The republicans turn out to vote every fucking election, almost without fail. It’s why so many school boards and such seem to have a pile of lunatics on them.


fhjuyrc

Can you please just for one day stop punching left? Sanders is not the bad guy. The progressives who brought you roe v wade are not the bad guy. In 2016 Clinton won the popular vote in the wrong states. End of subject. Stop re-litigating it.


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icenoid

I had similar conversations with friends. Thankfully I live in Colorado that went pretty hard for Hillary, so their protest votes weren’t an issue. My insane sister-in-law who lives in Michigan voted for Jill Stein because she believed Hillary was somehow not supportive of women enough to vote for


Kum_on_Eileen

90% of Bernie voters went on to support Clinton/Biden following the primaries


thatnameagain

After they had successfully boosted the various Republicans smears about her that turned off suburban voters in the Rust Belt, yes.


Kum_on_Eileen

It’s not just Republican smears man there was a lot wrong with her. Bernie was smeared as well, but that’s how primaries work. They duke it out, and then whoever wins is off to the general. Bernie worked his ass off to convince his supporters to vote for Clinton and then Biden, and his followers (myself included) bit the bullet and voted for the right choice. His supporters are not to blame for Hillary’s loss, not in the slightest.


thatnameagain

Bernie was not smeared very much, he was just generally attacked in normal political ways. There was no great scandal or great conspiracy pushed about him, but Hillary had like three or four ridiculous stories circulating around her that the press took seriously. I agree that Bernie did the best he could to moderate his supporters after the primary. Lord knows he needed to given how many of them went beyond the pale in supporting QAnon level conspiracies against her. His supporters are absolutely essential factor in the blame. It’s hard to imagine how those scandals around her would have been as amplified if it had not been occurring during an acrimonious primary. I mean one of the central scandals was that she supposedly cheated in the primary, even though all the emails that supposedly prove this contained zero evidence whatsoever that this was the case. I mean do you not remember that being a huge deal?


fhjuyrc

This is like a brain disease.


Kum_on_Eileen

Let’s hope it’s curable 🤞🏽


thatnameagain

With a convincing argument


Kum_on_Eileen

Try mine.


fhjuyrc

Assures facts not in evidence


The_Lost_Jedi

Most of us did, yes. But those that didn't mattered quite a bit.


Kum_on_Eileen

Nearly all of us did, I’d call 90% of any group an overwhelming majority, and those that didn’t were unlikely to support Clinton anyway. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/ Our man Bernie had huge crossover support from unlikely voters and independents, what made him such a strong candidate and the clear choice in 2016. if only the scales weren’t tipped


fhjuyrc

Cool story


The_Lost_Jedi

Sanders isn't, but the people who refused to vote after he lost, or who voted third party, are. I voted for Bernie in 2016, and I didn't like Hillary, but I held my nose and voted for her anyway because Trump was just that shitty, and I knew this exact sort of thing could be the outcome.


ShadownetZero

> Sanders is not the bad guy. Him and his shithead supporters are most definitely on the "bad guy" side.


MedievalCrimes

Shit take


fhjuyrc

Is this how you woo voters?


ShadownetZero

I'm not campaigning. Fuck the Sanderistas.


DarkHelmet112

The corporate Democrats who runs the DNC won't do anything, it's all according to plan. Republicans take power then the Democrats take over and set it as the new "status quo" begging people to vote more Democrats to stop the Republicans. Rinse and repeat.


MRDMNR

Dems are still gonna get their ass kicked because they can’t get their shit together. They have two members of their caucus that are repubs in dems clothing sabotaging everything they try to do. It’s pathetic.


Mavman31

I mean I will vote Democrat like I always do but in the back of my mind I expect nothing to get done and somehow I will still be disappointed.


harcile

Clinton could have codified it. Obama could have codified it, promised to do it as the first thing he did, came in and declared it not a priority. Biden said he would. Nada. Just a few weeks ago Pelosi and Clyburn were backing an anti-choice Republican. But now they have a social issue they can fund raise off of since Trump seems to be a ghost ship. I can't be the only one sick and tired of Democrats pretending to be the good guys and occupying the space needed to fight the GOP? Looking at the armed police attacking peaceful protesters, snipers on top of the SC, fascism seems to have been sealed and delivered by Democrats as much as Republicans. 14 of the last 18 years have been blue government and the cops and military are more bloated and ruthless than ever.


outerworldLV

This again ?


M00n

(Copied from another thread) Democrats only had a filibuster-proof majority for 24 working days during that (Obama) period. Here are the details: To define terms, a Filibuster-Proof Majority or Super Majority is the number of votes required to overcome a filibuster in the Senate. According to current Senate rules, 60 votes are required to overcome a filibuster. Time-line of the events after the 2008 election: BALANCE BEFORE THE ELECTION. In 2007 – 2008 the balance in the Senate was 51-49 in favor of the Democrats. On top of that, there was a Republican president who would likely veto any legislation the Republicans didn’t like. Not exactly a super majority. BIG GAIN IN 2008, BUT STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. Coming out the 2008 election, the Democrats made big gains, but they didn’t immediately get a Super Majority. The Minnesota Senate race required a recount and was not undecided for more than six months. During that time, Norm Coleman was still sitting in the Senate and the Balance 59-41, still not a Super Majority. KENNEDY GRAVELY ILL. Teddy Kennedy casts his last vote in April and leaves Washington for good around the first of May. Technically he could come back to Washington vote on a pressing issue, but in actual fact, he never returns, even to vote on the Sotomayor confirmation. That leaves the balance in the Senate 58-41, two votes away from a super majority. STILL NO SUPER MAJORITY. In July, Al Frankin was finally declared the winner and was sworn in on July 7th, 2009, so the Democrats finally had a Super Majority of 60-40 six and one-half months into the year. However, by this point, Kennedy was unable to return to Washington even to participate in the Health Care debate, so it was only a technical super majority because Kennedy could no longer vote and the Senate does not allow proxies. Now the actual actual balance of voting members is 59-40 not enough to overcome a Republican filibuster. SENATE IS IN RECESS. Even if Kennedy were able to vote, the Senate went into summer recess three weeks later, from August 7th to September 8th. KENNEDY DIES. Six weeks later, on Aug 26, 2009 Teddy Kennedy died, putting the balance at 59-40. Now the Democrats don’t even have technical super majority. FINALLY, A SUPER MAJORITY! Kennedy’s replacement was sworn in on September 25, 2009, finally making the majority 60-40, just enough for a super majority. SENATE ADJOURNS. However the Senate adjourned for the year on October 9th, only providing 11 working days of super majority, from September 25th to October 9th. SCOTT BROWN ELECTED. Scott Brown was elected in November of 2009. The Senate was not in session during November and December of 2009. The Senate was in session for 10 days in January, but Scott Brown was sworn into office on February 4th, so the Democrats only had 13 days of super majority in 2010. Summary: The Democrats only had 24 days of Super Majority between 2008 and 2010. Discussion: The Democrats had a super majority for a total of 24 days. On top of that, the period of Super Majority was split into one 11-day period and one 13-day period. Given the glacial pace that business takes place in the Senate, this was way too little time for the Democrats pass any meaningful legislation, let alone get bills through committees and past all the obstructionistic tactics the Republicans were using to block legislation. Further, these Super Majorities count Joe Lieberman as a Democrat even though he was by this time an Independent. Even though he was Liberal on some legislation, he was very conservative on other issues and opposed many of the key pieces of legislation the Democrats and Obama wanted to pass. For example, he was adamantly opposed to “Single Payer” health care and vowed to support a Republican Filibuster if it ever came to the floor. Summary: 1/07 – 12/08 – 51-49 – Ordinary Majority. 1/09 – 7/14/09 – 59-41 – Ordinary Majority. (Coleman/Franklin Recount.) 7/09 – 8/09 – 60-40 – Technical Super Majority, but since Kennedy is unable to vote, the Democrats can’t overcome a filibuster 8/09 – 9/09 – 59-40 – Ordinary Majority. (Kennedy dies) 9/09 – 10/09 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 11 working days. 1/10 – 2/10 – 60-40 – Super Majority for 13 working days Total Time of the Democratic Super Majority: 24 Working days. If you look on senate.gov it will corroborate this conclusion. Courtesy of Direwolf0110


fhjuyrc

That will not fit on a bumper sticker


duck_one

None of that even matters though. The Supreme Court opinion would have nullified the 'codified' law regardless.


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M00n

Nope. You need to have a majority vote which is why we can't do it right now. Manchin and Sinema won't support it.


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harcile

Liberals have nothing but excuses for the sacred cows that lie to their faces.


ShadownetZero

Your takes are bad, and you should feel bad.


generalosabenkenobi

“fascism seems to have been sealed and delivered by Democrats as much as Republicans” I understand the Democrat apathy but this is just a ridiculous statement.


harcile

Tell me what happened to [cops](https://www.blackagendareport.com/obama_reinforces_militarized_police) and the [military budget](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-moves-boost-bidens-record-defense-budget-2022-06-22/) under Democrats again. Why do liberals only see fascism through the lense of the GOP but are completely blind to what Democrats do?


generalosabenkenobi

Feel free to label me whatever you seem to want to. Again, there’s a large difference between what the Republican Party does and what the Democrat Party does. If you think they are absolutely entirely equatable, you are as foolish as those who opted out of voting for Hillary in 2016 (and complain now). Again, I’m not saying they are perfect and they don’t fuck up a plenty and don’t put forth all sorts of centrist bullshit, but to say they are one and the same? Well that’s horseshit. If this is a purity contest thing for you, we aren’t going to get anywhere. I say this as a progressive millennial, who has watched the country be shit since elementary school (and learned about it back then too).


harcile

I fucking wish there was a purity contest - might get some decent politicians for once. Jesus man, you've been conditioned to think politicians don't need to deliver on promises, that they can just shit on you and still demand your vote.


generalosabenkenobi

No, I don’t, I just recognize that one way forward is to continue to vote, especially if you vote for the folks who are actually going to do the work you need them to (ideally progressives pushing progressive policies). This is not a pass on the Democratic Party, but if your alternative is to not vote at all, good luck but that’s not really gonna do shit. If the overall party fucks with you, focus on local politics/elections; we all need to do that. If your aim is to tune out, you ain’t helping shit. Channel your anger into something proactive. I understand the apathy for the Democratic Party, absolutely. Checking out isn’t gonna help anyone though. I have no problem with anger at the politicians (either side) but if you think checking out will get you somewhere better, that’s not how it works (and very clearly not how 2016 worked either). If a purity contest is what you are looking for; I have news for you, you’ll never find a perfect politician.


fhjuyrc

Those who do little to oppose those who do much are complicit.


generalosabenkenobi

Yes, there’s a large difference between doing little to oppose and not doing anything/actively funneling the country towards fascism.


fhjuyrc

What?


duck_one

Prior to yesterday... Roe was CODIFIED by the Constitution. There was no reason to do anything else, it was the fucking law determined and confirmed by the highest court.


fhjuyrc

Except not, as yesterday showed.


duck_one

The SCOTUS decision would have nullified 'codified' law. Codified just means 'written into law'. The SCOTUS determines the constitutionality of a law. Codifying would have prevented nothing.


SeeMe_After_Class

I think if you hadn't woken up to what's happening in this country by now, especially after January 6th, anything short of having no internet and no McDonald's is going to get people angry. Basically, not enough people seem to care because they're comfy, which means it's going to have to get a lot worse before it gets better, but then there's no guarantee it will get better.


Im_on_my_phone_OK

Dems should go all out. Put federal legalization of marijuana on the ballots.


jnsbstniv

Oh, shut the fuck up, please, for the love of all your imaginary deities in the sky, shut the fuck up.


Scarlettail

But will it matter more than gas prices? Very unlikely. The economy will always be the top issue.


Taman_Should

Well guess what? Abortion is an economic issue bigger than gas prices. Fuel prices fluctuate on a time-frame of weeks or months. Forcing people to have unwanted babies has economic consequences that last a generation. Gas prices are a hot issue for people who are only able to think ahead into the future by about two or three days, tops.


Scarlettail

Oh so you mean most Americans? Yeah, that's the issue. Since when have we ever made decisions based on long-term thinking like that? As long as gas prices are this high, making going to work expensive, Dems are seriously in trouble, no matter what other social issues occur like shootings or abortion rights.


AnestheticAle

This is the unfortunate truth. The average voter isn't that well educated or informed. They certainly don't think along generational timelines. The reality is that they care about whatever is their worst immediate problem/fear. And that's currently the economy/inflation/gas. They're also too dumb to realize that there are a multitude of variables that have led to this and are susceptible to the easily digestible answer that "this is Biden/the Dem's fault because they're in charge right now".


outerworldLV

Right ? Like we haven’t dealt with this in the past, and survived. Inflation, and recession as well. Trolls gonna troll.


InclementImmigrant

Yeah, most Americans aren't going to understand or care about that. You give way to much credit to the average American voter. Americans by and large are not that smart and are very much self centered and they only care of there are things that directly affect their bottom line or lies that make them feel better. God, remember that the American people were mostly bamboozled by a three hundred dollar check, yeah those are the vast majority of voters in America.


YogurtWitty9017

I love when someone tries to talk about how dumb other people are, and they can’t even spell “too” correctly


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icenoid

I have so little sympathy for so many people whining about gas prices. I got into an argument at a gas station on Thursday. Guy in a F250 was trying to get me to whine about gas prices with him. I said something along the lines of, I knew what I was getting into with my truck, did you? He claimed he needs that truck for work, he’s a Denver firefighter, it was his personal truck. The number of people I see driving big ass pavement princesses because they “need” them is just stupid. I do feel for the folks who are a little more on the margins and need any vehicle to get to work, but the vast majority seem to be like that firefighter who must have big truck for reasons


Cogliostro1980

No it didn't.


Eric_in_America

Is there a silver-lining here? Perhaps, but at what cost? You know, I think most of us have been aware of this threat for quite some time, It doesn't take a superior level of shrewdness to understand where we've been heading, it's been out in the open. It's not like democrats couldn't run on a similar platform prior to Roe v Wade being overturned, it's just that this action further reveals a suppressive, discriminatory right-wing agenda and helps bring this issue to light among a broader audience of voters who may have otherwise remained dispassionate or uninformed on the matter. For years, a regressive movement has been gaining steam among these types of fervent, embittered conservatives in this country, a movement fueled by a culture war, a right-wing propaganda machine, a growing hostility and contempt, a sense of religious moral superiority and entitlement, an ideology whose focus is to light a fire underneath hot-blooded, right-wing counterrevolutionaries. Trump really helped to empower this movement and indulge its follower's worst impulses, their paranoia and fears, their bigotry and phobias, but it's still something that's been a long time in the making. And unfortunately, there are scarcely any actions that any one person can take to address this problem in the face of what's really propelling the movement forward, ignorance. What can you do to confront this issue when American ignorance is so widespread and spirited, when the many things that influence this ignorance, that sustain it and allow it to thrive, are embedded deep into the very fabric of American politics and culture? Our momentum as a country, over the course of our history, has been driven largely by forward-looking ideas, from the ratification of our constitution to civil rights movements, from the end of oppressive legislation, antiquated policies, anachronistic cultural conventions to the beginning of ambitious, broad minded reforms, customs and values. These defining moments weren't driven by the regressive and orthodox ideals of chauvinists and jingoists, but by a growing resistance to these things. And here we are again, living through an era that may end up being defined by another paradigm shift or movement that seeks to overcome the reactionary whims, the bygone attitudes, the rigid, discriminatory views and the counter-revolutionary ideals of right-wing fanatics whose only hope is for America to relapse back to a time where certain rights and freedoms belong exclusively to them.


The_Lost_Jedi

The problem was the threat hasn't been taken seriously, by the voters. I remember seeing Democrats bringing up abortion as an issue in 2014 for instance, only for people to mock them for it. They were labeled as desperate and accused of crying wolf, of going back to a non-issue that didn't really matter to the voters. People got complacent and acted like it was just shit Republicans said because they had to, but they won't REALLY make abortion illegal. Shit even now there's shocked articles being posted using the "dog that caught the car" analogy, because too many people think the Republicans never expected this to work. Well, the threat is real, we weren't just crying wolf - there really is a Wolf, it's in the village, and it wants to fucking devour us all.


AssCalloway

As if there wasn't enough already


trublueprogressive

Since the bot won't allow me to add a link, I will do it here. This is what California is proposing: https://calmatters.org/abortion-rights/2022/06/california-abortion-roe-ruling/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=CalMatters+Newsletters&utm_campaign=99cf20fea1-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_06_24_06_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_faa7be558d-99cf20fea1-151739611&mc_cid=99cf20fea1&mc_eid=642439c2e1


Banjoplaya420

The old saying “ if it works, don’t fix it !


Imtoostupidformyface

Without body autonomy one does not have human rights. We call people without human rights slaves. Slavery is back baby!


jwilson7890

Democrats love to talk about body autonomy. Where was the body autonomy when Democrats were wanting to force everyone to get vaccines?


RealBowsHaveRecurves

Yes it the fuck did


SeaExisting2304

more than they’ve had for like 60 years? come on 😂 they’re complicit in this shit.


Septic-designer

That is problem with this country. I see u vote as your master tells you and u follow him/her off the cliff. Just like a tribe of Lemming. Please learn to use your brian and screw the party lines. . Make informed decisions ...or just move to a country because u don't care enough about this one. Stop the end of our Great Country and make informed decisions.


Allwaysreplyall

Fuck those ineffective fossils im voting 3rd party


skkITer

That does nothing.


BillMurray2022

Then you must take some responsibility for what comes next for those more vulnerable than you if your MAGA GOP candidates win as a result of vote splitting.


Septic-designer

What using your brian and not just voting party lines? If so not a bad party. I'm an independent.


MrRedSert

For voters. Not democrats.


Heavy_Ad6896

Democrats. Hah! You ruin the country. Oh yeah, great President we have. Thanks guys.


Dont_Ban_Me_Bros

I found the one who didn’t pay attention!!


Heavy_Ad6896

Guilty!


Sniffisherenow

It gives the states the right to choose you phucking weirdos……Go kill your kid in Kansas or Cali 🤷🏽‍♂️