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Soprohero

I would of gotten it but the graphics look so bland and uninspiring. They could of done so much of a better job and I feel the population of the game will die off quickly because of this. I don't see myself getting hooked to it because of it so I'll be taking a pass on this game.


Payne25

I tried so hard to like this game through the demo but the graphics are so lack luster that I cant even get with it. The animations are so EHHH, I feel like its an extremely acquired taste I cannot get with. The gameplay seems like I would actually enjoy it but honestly half the time I cant even see whats happening.. the characters specials just are so lame it doesn't make landing hits actually feel satisfying


Rovolio

Are there any characters like Piccolo or Hit in it?


STICK_OF_DOOM

It plays more like Marvel than DBFZ (which i love). Probably will buy it on sale got too many games on my plate right not.


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I'm a fan of RWBY, so maybe.


Hitorio

Happy reddit birthday, fellow RWBY fan.


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Honestly i liked the demo but the cast isnt that exciting. (For me atleast)


Vahallen

Currently playing the EU beta (Gord & Azrael) It's pretty fun gameplay wise, neutral is fun, 3 different assist all available in the same match is nice and they all feel pretty unique at the moment.....cross combo mechanic scares the fuck out of me tough, it's like every character can become a mini Carl Clover I also really like the presentation of the game, character design and the character interactions but I'm a fan of ASW so that's normal (The only franchise in the game that I didn't know was RWBY but I checked it out after BBTag reveal)


Blazing_Origami

What?? How are you able to play in the EU? It's not even in the store...


Azazel7007

If [this link](https://store.playstation.com/de-de/product/EP4293-CUSA12480_00-BBTAGPS400050000?smcid=pdc%3Ade-de%3Apdc-buy-playstation-store%3Aheader-%3Anull%3A) does not work, then search "cross tag" in the PS-Store.


Blazing_Origami

How foolish of me to search for "Blazblue" instead of "cross tag"... Thank you for the tip!


Vahallen

Try manual search, just finished a pretty long set with a friend so the beta is still working


Lok_N_Ki

No thanks, i've always passed on BB games before with the main reasons being its artstyle and generic and bland characters. BBXTAG seems to simply reuse sprites from whatever game they can get their hands on and they simply clash wit eachother it is extremely unappealing.


Sparkyfrosh

I would if it were on Xbox one :'(


Seatown_Spartan

The sprites/graphics are really disappointing especially coming after this game. They should update them.


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Vahallen

Just wanted to point something out - DB FighterZ : 70€ + Character Pass : 30€ = 100€ for a total roster of 24+8 characters - BB TAG : 50€ + Character Pass 20€ = 70€ for a total roster of 23 + 17 (and first week after release 3 of the 17 DLC characters will be free)


Blaistera

But you're not taking into consideration that the game is cheaper than normal and if you buy it with the dlc it's pretty much the same normal price of other fighters...


Skeith253

I tried it and sadly its just not doing it for me. Its simply the fact that DBFZ looks SOOO much better and its yet another fighting game that I would have to try to master. and I also have no attachment to any of the characters.


TsunamiWave22

While we're on the topic, Under Night Inbirth is on sale at Humble Bundle for about 10 dollars for the next 5 days.


Vahallen

I guess it's UNIEL not UNIST right?


strobelit3

yeah but unist is actually on sale at gamestop right now too lol


TsunamiWave22

Yes, UNIEL is on sale. I've never played the series before and it feels just as fun as FighterZ.


Vahallen

It's a great game, feels really good to play


Blaistera

Bless


Cystro

no


comandaben

I'm considering it, i'll probably wait a month just to make sure the online is decent and to see how many PC players there are. Blazblue is my favourite anime fighter series (i could never get into GG for some reason) and the fact they include Under Night, Persona and RBWY characters is amazing. Also if they confirm Bang as DLC i'll definitely pick it up ASAP, he's my favourite to play.


ZariLutus

If the netcode is anything like it was on the Ps4 beta it will be very clean. The switch version seemed to have issues but I think part of that is just a larger amount of wifi players on switch, not sure.


comandaben

That's great to hear! My main concern is finding players other than peak times in the evening, since i play on PC and live in Australia which isn't the greatest when it comes to internet connections (thankfully mine is wired and very solid).


ZariLutus

I cant say how it will be finding players, time will tell how that will be. We cant exactly assume it will be like BB/GG or not in that regard yet. Though, I can say that in the beta I ran into plenty of low bar connections that ended up running smoothly, as long as they were wired. So unless they fuck up the netcode at some point, it should be pretty good overall.


comandaben

If the netcode is good enough for the low bar connections to be reasonable, that is a great step in the right direction. We'll see! Thanks for your input, it's appreciated.


Wolfenguarde

if it was free sure, but i dont feel like gambling my money on a game that doesnt *look* appealing to me. the animations look lazy/uninspired. due to this the combat actually looks pretty wooden and uninteresting. Plus on top of that i have no attachment to these random characters i know nothing about, last one is a minor quibble but with everything before it kinda seals the no buy from me deal. I am going to play dbfz until dbfz2 comes out.


Vahallen

Feel free to dislike it but there is huge effort beyond those sprites


Wolfenguarde

not disagreeing, just saying if i can't get into it by watching it, im not going to be dropping money on it for the chance of me liking it.


Vahallen

Oh absolutely, there are fighters in which I don't like either the characters, the presentation, sound or effects and it severly hurts the chances of me liking it BTW if you actually would like to try it for free the EU beta it's still up and available to everybody for free, no pre-order required or anything else


Yuzuriha

It looks awkward because they are combining newer sprites with sprites that are almost a decade old


Wolfenguarde

yeah it doesn't jive with me. Im glad people enjoy it, im sure it has promise, but the combination of things i mentioned just means id rather not


NatrelChocoMilk

Blazblue is great! Probably one of my favorite fighting games in terms of aesthetics, overall gameplay feel and music! Each character feels so unique its like playing a brand new game. Definitely not accessible but very satisfying when you get the hang of it.


Grimalkinx

I got the BBtag itch, I've been playing it so much that when I came back to DBFZ I was walking in my matches instead of dashing.


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Captain Hazama is the captain of my heart so totally there. JHAKYOUUUUU HOUTENJIIIII HYAHAYAHAYAHAYAHAYHAYAHAYAHA.


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What’s the universal game plan in DBFZ?


rezen1337

Get someone in a blockstring. From there, it's about using assists to extend the blockstring until they get opened up and you confirm it into a combo, or stagger pressure with mix ups to get your assists into cooldown to continue the whole thing over again. This is due to the lack of options on defense, whether it be on wake up, or in blockstun. Reflect isn't too useful in this regard, due to top tier normals reaching after anyway, and that it can't be used in blockstun. Other than that, DPs are a are commodity, and universally there's only Reflect and lvl3s (with a small handful of invincible lvl1s). On top of that, there aren't really any other effective playstyles. Zoning is nonexistent or at the very least extremely difficult due to the lots of univeraal anti zoning mechanics, hopefully Zamasu can offer something useful. The only option is to get your opponent to start blocking and work from there.


lucydaydream

this is where i'm losing interest in this game. i don't want to just take turns either holding block or mashing buttons. wish there was more interesting neutral


HaLire

i mean, guilty gear has basically every defensive option that ever existed and it's still pretty unga. actually, I think arcsys lets characters go buck wild because between instant block, faultless defense, blitz shield, dead angle, burst, and whatever fun stuff your character just has naturally something will probably keep it in check.


marvelkombat

one question: is zoning viable in ggxrd ? Each igh level matchs i Watch seem like "all offensive"


rezen1337

Yup, you pretty much nailed it. GG is absolutely hyper offensive, but there's still a lot you can do on defense. DBFZs (and SFVs) problem is that you're at such an insane disadvantage on defense, but GG has enough tools to make it more interactive and deep, by not being so one dimensional and straight forward.


JustynNA

unga


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What is UNGA?


Mallixin

Stands for "unga bunga", trying to sound like a gorilla. It refers to the concept of constant, oppressive offense.


Skill874

now can you tell me what oki (oak-E)is? these FGC terms are weird man like who the fuck came up with meaty and chicken block and footsies just sounds like a fetish


Kogoeshin

Oki: Okizeme. After a knockdown, you get to attack your opponent before they get to get up and do something. Has a lot of features. Meaty: Attack that can hit your opponent while their recovering (usually after a knockdown). This means they don't get to attack because they'll get counterhit. Beat by invincible moves. Chicken block: up-back. Jumping and blocking. Doesn't work well in DBFZ because the jump animation doesn't block so you automatically get hit instead. Footsies: trying to hit your opponent at maximum range, basically. Kind of a game of walking back and forth to be in your effective range while staying out of your opponents. Doesn't really exist in DBFZ either but kind of exists.


Mallixin

Yeah. Oki is short for the Japanese word"Okizeme". It's the act of attacking your opponent as they get up from being knocked down. In simple terms, Oki in DBFZ happens when you combo your opponent into a sliding knockdown, and then as they get up, you're ready to continue your offense. If you have good Oki, your opponent is basically forced to block as they get up because you timed your attack correctly.


Skill874

I thought that was a meaty, whats a meaty then


Mallixin

Yeah, in many cases Oki is to attack your opponent with a meaty, where meaty means your attack's active frames met with the opponent 's recovery perfectly. In games like Guilty Gear, not all Oki is necessarily what one would call a meaty, as meaty is usually what you describe when an attack is perfectly timed. Not all Oki has to be perfectly timed in Guilty Gear because of how active certain moves are by default. In Street Fighter, for example, trying to cross someone up as they get up is Oki, but not what you would say is "meaty" just because it's pretty simple and the timing is pretty lax.


sceptic62

Oki can be sparked. Fairly sure frame perfect meaties can't in this game


Mallixin

If your spark is just as frame perfect, it should. I believe spark is invincible on the first frame. If you're mashing spark, you can fail the timing.


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Thx


JustynNA

bunga


Gouriki

I am gonna get it for RWBY and Persona, and the fact that the demo is a barrel of fun.


Kyouko-chan

I tried so hard with bb and gg, but just something about those games just look so uninteresting. I thought maybe bbctb would change that since it has unist and I like watching unist, but I still feel the same way.


WindowMaker__

youre high if oyu think BBCTB is the same. Its way more faster paced way more crazy, youre just bad lol


Kyouko-chan

I didn’t say it’s the same. I’m sure it’s an entertaining game and all, but I just said I feel the same way about it as I do with bb/gg, which is that it just looks uninteresting to me.


C__Wayne__G

The art style for bb is pretty lack luster since the sprites are several years old. It's a deal breaker for me.


jerkmcgee_

They're just way too anime for me. When I play DBFZ I think everything looks so goddamn cool. Contrast this with the zany design of GG (I'm thinking of characters like Bedman, May, and Faust) I just get a bit turned off. The fighting game component is really well designed and I love the back and forth, but there's nothing making go, "Wow this is so cool I don't want to stop"


marvelkombat

exactly my thought chars like faust bedman or may have very weird design


Blaistera

>DBZF literally being an anime while non-anime anime fighters being called anime Ok bud


jerkmcgee_

I probably could have phrased that differently, but I don’t think there needs to be a distinction that GG didn’t start as a TV show or manga. For me it’s the differences in styles that makes me think GG is “more” anime.


hobdodgeries

may and faust are cool as shit tho. may with the otters and dolphin tech, and faust with the rng tech. so much fun.


jerkmcgee_

I just think all the ocean-y stuff looks super goofy. The faust stuff looks super goofy too. I have no problems with the mechanics of the game, in fact I love GG mechanics and it feels super good to play. It's just the fantasy isn't there for me. It's like if you were to play an MMO and all the characters looked like they were wearing bathrobes and their skills involved hitting things with flip flops. I don't care how cool the mechanics are I'm just not going to find it very interesting.


HaLire

maybe it's because in my head it's "well this dolphin hits like a MOTHERFUCK" but i always get hype for when may hits that weird 2H -> dolphin loop that she gets totally insane damage off of. https://clips.twitch.tv/KindDarlingMoonAsianGlow same with whenever faust gets any of his weird movement going with the j.2K cancelled into FD. I just like a little bit of funk with my fighting games.


The-Rail-Tracer

I feel that. I like playing them alot but I wont commit time to really learning bb or gg because it's too hard to find a match even using discord. Bbctb was packed in the beta though and the connections were great so it seems like a good one to put time into.


divad745

Same here. I picked up GG before FighterZ released to get a taste of an Arcsys game before I play FighterZ, and quite frankly I didn't like it. The fighting itself is amazing with so many options and very unique characters, but it was all too complex for me. FighterZ is far easier to play, and since its Dragon Ball, I knew I would like it immediately, so much so that its pretty much the only thing I play nowadays. It's also the best looking Dragon Ball game without a doubt.


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aye gg and bb are not accessible games. They are awesome games, but they spend the first few hours of play almost trying to discourage you.


DanielTeague

How do they feel like they're "almost trying to discourage you?"


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Hi here's gatling combos, perfect guard, guard, insta air dashes, light, kick, slash, heavy slash, Dust. whats dust? don't forget to psyche burst and its probably better to Roman cancel than distortion drive you'll get more damage. -and then the characters, all awesome but so many of them are quite difficult for the newbie. pick I-no prepare for weird dashes, Venom, better be good at snooker! Carl fucking clover... etc. There's just a lot of concepts and things that require a lot of time investment to overcome/understand if you're a newbie.


Blaistera

If you play DBZF you already know some of these concepts (light, kick, insta air dash,etc) you also can apply that to someone who doesn't know DBZF like *"you can use sparking while initiating a BnB and then go for a full combo and finish it off with 2 level 1s and a level 3 to get a hard knockdown"*


MrBigD34

There's a lot of nuance that 18'ers won't like about GG. The tutorial is very in depth but it's easy for a lot of people to get confused. It probably scares a lot of people away when they have to play actual neutral and learn a lot of system mechanics instead of going on net play and just super dashing and hitting people with 20 frame overheads and 123 super.


JPDreeamnz

I really wanted but my boi Seth isn't there ):


sergio311

I really enjoy the game but mostly because I know and care who the characters are


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heysuess

Of course there will be top tiers wtf. Some characters are always going to be better. There's no such thing as the perfectly balanced game. You people act like "top tiers" is something they fucking planned.


The-Rail-Tracer

I'm pretty sure he means top tier in the dbfz sense which is way worse than other games because the low tier characters have literally no reason to be picked.


heysuess

It's not really worse than other games.


Mugutu7133

there are top tiers in every game. what reality are you living in?


The-Rail-Tracer

Bnbs will be easier and more character/team specific in crosstag imo. As for tiers it's too early to tell but every character has stuff about them that's insanely powerful and unique so while theres probly gonna be bad matchups for certain teams I doubt theres gonna be a definitive top tier.