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mateodrw

>Do we know why his strange writings were not made into a bigger deal in the trial? Or did they just not show that part in the documentary? He did not testify, he couldn't be questioned about what he wrote. >Also, who were the two women who went to get the boxes of materials (the ones who called him a narcissist)? Candice and...? Lori, the other sister of Kathleen.


Odd_Wolf_7143

Awesome, thanks for the info.


Human-Ad504

What are his strange writings? Does anyone have a link to an article or something about his books with exerpts and stuff?


jdkinsey

He, like many self-obsessed people, had donated his essays, articles, novels and stories to a local library. One of the "stories" read aloud by Kathleen's sisters, Lori and Candace, had details how if a man kills once he becomes addicted to the thrill of killing and how it gives a sexual thrill as well. It was fairly vivid. I think MP is a total narcissist who just adores the sound of his own voice. I also think it would give him a big kick to think that "straitlaced" librarians and local people might read his ramblings and be shocked by them.


Nem321

Interesting sidenote to Michael Peterson not being called to the stand, Rudolph’s opening arguments included statements about their happy marriage, the good character of Michael and that he would present witnesses to testify to this. However, they did not call one character witness, only expert witnesses. Discussion was that they cannot open any doors that might lead prosecution to question any of the disturbing factors about Michael, his writings, his fits of rage, his serial lying, treatment of the girls, specifically Martha. They said in the doc that the jury would see how as “a bad man." Jury members are quoted as saying that was troublesome for them that Rudolph never backed up those statements with witnesses.


DaisySunflower86

Can you please tell me what the theory is in relation to how Martha was treated? I haven’t heard that before, thank you


Nem321

From interviews with their German nanny Barbara for a book, you can put what weight you want into it although I do believe the interviews are backed up by Barbara‘s testimony at the trial , which the HBO series briefly touched upon and is discussed more in the documentary. When Liz Ratliff’s autopsy was allowed as evidence, they brought the nanny in to testify and while on the stand she apologized to Martha for not protecting her, for not being there for her. After Liz’s death Michael and Patty took the girls in, Barbara remained as their nanny for the first year. Barbara said that Michael favored Margaret, Martha who was two or three of the time, was continually covered in bruises , Michael ‘gleefully” told her about a time where he rubbed her nose in the carpet for having an accident, she had two black eyes, continually referred to Martha as a bad girl who needed to learn. Patty was also in the home but to my knowledge, no fingers have ever been pointed at her, not sure why. Both girls have been quoted as saying that Kathleen was the first to ever act like a mother/parent to them, brush their hair, etc


Odd_Wolf_7143

Maybe Patty was depressed from living with a narcissistic husband and suddenly going from having 2 kids to 4, whom she may not have ever wanted. The whole situation seems fishy to me. I wonder why Patty wasn't more outspoken about Michael’s abusive side, if he did have one.


Nem321

Absolutely, I can think of a multitude of reasons why Patty was not in a place to want to mother the children while they were in her care, I also understand not wanting to increase the family by 2 kids. Patty came off as a very odd duck to me, I can see her not speaking up about Michaels abusive side, if there was one, because that would implicate her of not protecting Martha. The questions asked of Barbara, why didn’t you report it, do anything about it which are legitimate questions, would be asked of Patty. Unfortunately I don’t think it’s at all uncommon for spouses to remain quiet while their spouse/SO is abusive to the children, happens all the time. I don’t see Patty’s lack of saying anything as meaningful. Patty readily admits that Michael had affairs with both men and women while they were married in Germany, but she insists that his relationship with Liz was purely platonic, maybe it was, no one really knows. IIRC, Michael stepped into the “husband” role with Liz, would eat dinner with Liz and the girls most nights, help put the girls to bed, then go home to Patty, took care of Liz’s finances, etc; I can easily see how under those circumstances the relationship going beyond platonic. Patty seems like someone to me who sees reality as she wants to see it.


Odd_Wolf_7143

As the old joke goes, “Denial isn't just a river in Egypt”!


chatcat2000

Jesus, what a sicko.


theledge454982

The prosecution made a big deal about how he was a “fictional” writer so they might have decided it wasn’t worth focusing on since it could be argued that he was embellishing, took artistic liberties, work of fiction, etc. Even if it was part of a memoir and represented his feelings, this would be difficult to prove while also arguing that he was a skilled storyteller and writer of fiction.


Odd_Wolf_7143

Good point. I found it weird that they kept saying “fictional,” as you mentioned, not “fiction.” Like, wouldn't you say MP is a fiction writer, not a fictional writer? That implies MP is fictional, which he very much seems to be. 😂


theledge454982

It was amusing how she kept saying “fictional” instead of fiction writer or writer of fiction.


Davapeterson1975

I hear Freda Black and her strong accent everything I read “fictional writer” 🤣. Sad that she has already passed.


Rare_Hydrogen

I think the other lady with Candice was KP's other sister.


Odd_Wolf_7143

Copy that, they look nothing alike!


jdkinsey

Lori looks really like Kathleen in my opinion.


Odd_Wolf_7143

I feel like they don’t show enough of Kathleen’s face (before the incident). I can’t picture her at all!