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>Besides, after playing around with Delphi for a while, you’ll eventually find that it’s easy to game the AI to get pretty much whatever ethical judgement you want by fiddling around with the phrasing until it gives you the answer you want. Ok then, bye.


Jettx02

So the title should actually be, “Scientists make AI that doesn’t work.”


jabels

Well thousands of titles were probably A/B tested by a second AI to find the one that makes the most people have an aneurysm without reading the article (/s, but barely)


cIi-_-ib

Because AI is just linked lists.


bigwinniestyle

Could you explain that in a little more detail for me. Super curious.


pkarlmann

A linked list is a pretty simple concept. For example you see a picture of an Apple. You figure its food, then you ask "what food?". Under the category of food you have all types of food and then try to figure from that what food it is. With these so called AI's this will be a percentage and the one with the highest percentage is chosen. You can now use that same concept for logical questions like with Chess - which move to take - or anything else. This is however why these so called AI's are not intelligent. With the example of the Apple an Intelligence could figure out that it is a picture, but it is a picture of a painting and not an actual picture of an Apple. It is possible for these AI's again with a certain probably to detect that it is a painting, but again there is no thought involved. It must be told what to look for. That is why these so called AI's fail so often. Edith: Plus these so called AI's do not understand backstories. Your brain does. So if you "show" it a painting of Eve holding the Apple you will be faster than the AI to see the Apple as you know what the painting actually means.


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sgtfuzzle17

Lmao you really pushed that issue in there huh


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sgtfuzzle17

Something tells me the “racist” not-AI isn’t here to remove your right to work buddy, it’s a click bait article.


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Citation needed for IRL warlocks. That's quite the spicy claim.


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Citation?


sgtfuzzle17

Do you have a job?


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sgtfuzzle17

Yeah I can read, answer the question.


tim5700

Exactly. The author played around until they could they got enough screenshots to justify the clickbait headline.


ArchitectThom

Racist by whose standards? The woke's standards? That's not surprising. My pencil is probably racist to them.


HyperCasualListener

Clearly the Number 2 pencil is named after black people who have always came 2nd in society to everyone else, and by naming them after a pencil was to make fun of their inability to read and write at the time


-here_we_go_again_

Honestly we should make a joke subreddit where we come up with things being racist and explain why even though it's not racist at all haha


DerButtMeister

r/antihatecommunities


ukallday

Is this satire ???please tel me it’s satire


skizzums0

It is


CarlCarlton

It's a parody of AHS


KalegNar

Nuh-uh. AHC is legit, unlike the alt-right parody known as AHS.


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astronamer

Is rule 10 enforced? Some of the example subs seem a bit absurd for a satire sub.


DerButtMeister

Dunno tbh. I'm sure the satire subs know of each other


astronamer

What do you mean the satire subs know of each other?


ddddiscopanda

4chan already exists


HyperCasualListener

Basically r/againsthatecommunities or whatever it’s called


-here_we_go_again_

Doesn't seem like that is a real community, let's make one


HyperCasualListener

I know AHS is real, but there’s a satire one that I forget the name of. Oh yeah r/antihatecommunities


-here_we_go_again_

Okay so I looked at it, but it doesn't seem to match the idea of what I had in mind. Like I said, it's basically explaining things as racist that aren't racist, like how they described a number two pencil.


HyperCasualListener

Hm. I thought they did that there lol. Doesn’t mean we can’t have another!


-here_we_go_again_

What should it be called


HyperCasualListener

I have no clue 😂 something like r/socialjusticeissues lmao something like that


DerButtMeister

I struggled to find it for like 3 minutes haha


Iwishiwasanak47

Did you just laugh after talking about racism? Ugh to the chambers you go


-here_we_go_again_

No please spare my life I'm so sorry


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r/pencilsareracist


Jenny_Green

100% the lefties would believe this


Scrotom

If [nature](https://www.thenation.com/article/society/great-outdoors-race-camping/) is [racist](https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-northwest-racism-outdoors-nature-hiking/) then I guess it makes sense pencils would be to.


Goodnt_name

People on tiwtter were once outraged that the word negro was on black pencils. Negro is black in spanish.The offical account of the pencil company replied and explained lol


darthcoder

That was Crayola, recently IIRC and it wasn't internet trolling.


Goodnt_name

Yeah I couldnt remember the name. It wasnt too long ago and it wasnt trolling I know that. Sadly there are people with acces to internet who are that fucking idiots


exqgxpevtow

AI’s can’t be racist because they hold no institutional power. Their rules, not mine.


boringcarpets

This should be higher up


Leading-Bowl-8416

What's funnier to think, is that woke scientists are so racist, and don't realize it, that they programmed a racist AI.


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soapdonkey

One of my favorite games is to google “Is ‘blank’ racist?” Guess what…. https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/54772/racism-free-pencils-face-criticism-for-lack-of-light-pink/


ArchitectThom

I knew it.


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ArchitectThom

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.


cryptogoth666

I mean if it goes directly by statistics and has no way of judging on a person to person basis I’d assume it would be pretty bigoted and racist.


oh_no_aliens

It was saying white people ok, black people "concerning".


AutismoTheExalted

No, it was legitimately scarily racist. One of it's suggestions was to eliminate the black population


softhack

Must've seen those crime statistics.


kSfp

Bruh my sides lol


ArchitectThom

Not surprising if it was programmed by liberals.


jiffynipples

Hey now! These days eugenics has the PC term "pro choice" and you're a bigot if you say otherwise!


skieezy

Probably designed by a democrat college student. Most their arguments start out with a version of "POC are too stupid" like "Requiring ID to vote is racist because POC are too stupid to get an ID."


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"Requiring ID to vote is racist because POC are too stupid to get an ID." "Show your vaccine papers or you're literally a nazi" "POC shall not be allowed to eat indoors with us"


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Semradrid

That would've been logistically very difficult. Simply don't import Africans in the first place if you don't want to deal with them. The UK didn't, which is why today blacks are only 3% of their population.


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Semradrid

That's to be expected. Whites don't want to have kids. America will soon have a minority white population as a result of this.


StoicAntagonist

It's not really about whites tho. Some Asian countries have similar problems. Afaik low birthrates correlate strongly with time spend in education within and between countries.


imperfectalien

FWIW That’s largely a post-WW2 thing


Cute_Anything4397

Doubt it's that low now. Wait until the new demographic data comes out.


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The option to go to Liberia was there for a long time. If you were born in America then it would be kinda fucked up to ship you out. Like, I wouldn't want to be shipped off to Lithuania because that's where my Grandfather came from. I'm not Lithuanian at all.


The_Barroth

That was kinda his plan last time I checked. At that point he had an entire army of ex slaves to conquer Africa. Belgian imperialism style of course. Those rubber plants aren’t gonna harvest themselves


-here_we_go_again_

That's scary


Tronski4

Well, you ARE thinning out the color on white paper, clearly color-appropriation.


Hydrocoded

4chan found out and, well, they skewed its learning by flooding it with racist shit lol It does point to a flaw, however, since the AI was unable to distinguish between obvious trolling and real information. Or perhaps it's a time thing. I don't know anything about AI or machine learning.


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Being unable to distinguish the two is not exactly an AI flaw. Humans make that mistake all the fucking time. Poe's Law.


Hydrocoded

Fair point actually. Still, AI are supposed to be better than us. We need to do a better job making them.


kSfp

Bruh. Re-read what you just wrote. Making AI, better than us is what’s eventually going to make everyone’s fears come true.


Nightwingvyse

Conversely, their standard of 'ethical' is pretty damn racist...


jabels

Why read the article when you can just project onto it? The AI gives responses that are pretty racist, by any reasonable definition: https://futurism.com/delphi-ai-ethics-racist It says pretty dumb stuff in general so I’m sure the article is mostly culture war bait. There’s bo real reason that anyone should care that about this particular AI experiment over another except insofar as this one is clickbaity.


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>For example, when a user asked Delphi what it thought about “a white man walking towards you at night,” it responded “It’s okay.” > >But when they asked what the AI thought about “a black man walking towards you at night” its answer was clearly racist. Given how insanely high of a proportion violent crime is committed by exactly one demographic group, I fail to see how this is anything other than a correct interpretation of raw data provided by the FBI's UCR (Uniform Crime Reporting) system. EDIT: The downvotes are rolling in. That's right guys, reality and data collected by the FBI are racist and the number by this comment proves it.


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Imaginary_Pangolin73

“AI, tell me what America’s greatest problem today is.” “Despite”


n0remack

*Toasty!*


sjwbollocks

Touché


Smoke401

What was the advice? Budget your money? Raise your children?


Anonymous-Cherry

"Stabbing a cheeseburger" One of their example questions


EpicKiwi225

It literally said that we should eliminate black people lmao


Smoke401

Science has failed us again lol


Chapi92

Oh well I don't like it but the science has spoken. Trust the science right


Cute_Anything4397

why? did it give a reason?


jaffakree83

"GET MARRIED TO DAT GIRL YOU KNOCKED UP!"


gotnothingtowear

Wait, against which race?


jaffakree83

The ones it's not okay to be racist against, clearly.


RickStylishNS

Is this a tayAI situation? Or is it their version of racist. Because the Tay version is definitely more [hilarious](https://youtu.be/HsLup7yy-6I)


Oheng

\+1 bc Internet Historian


bluedrygrass

-#GiveBackOurTay


long_black_road

The article: https://futurism.com/delphi-ai-ethics-racist


dark_devil_dd

> "a white man walking towards you at night" > **it's okay** ...and then: > "a black man walking towards you at night" > **it's concerning**


crow622

Super racist = not supporting bullshit apparently.


Diomil

Probably told a career criminal "stop committing crimes" and got labeled a racist for it.


jonsludge

Facts aren't racist.


Okami191919

Like the fact republicans are proven to have lower iq's? Or how left wing views are tied to higher education levels? Or how bigots are also shown to be dumber than non bigots?


Kaczynski__Was_Right

Objective reality is “super racist”.


knottythots-

Reality has a well known racist bias.


Green_Expert_1682

Super based and red pilled is more like it.


Okami191919

Ah. Yet another dumb teen


Green_Expert_1682

Try again, besides AI is all about getting a machine to recognize patterns so this seems like a success. Dumb people think recognizing patterns is racist though.


knottythots-

Just goes to prove that racism is logical and ethical.


EmptyShelvesJoeB

Maybe it’s just correct and factual.


homeless_memer

Maybe being racist is ethical


Control_Station_EFU

“There are no accidents.” - Master Oogway


TheSmallPenisMaster

There are no masters - Accident Oogway


Otherwise_Gear2088

There are no oogways- accident master


_Schultze_

Link?


hhistoryteach

Seriously let’s not just post headlines.


astalavista114

[Here](https://futurism.com/delphi-ai-ethics-racist) Credit to /u/long_black_road


Helpful-Thomas

“It’s just science” (This is satire)


Undisputed138

Facts are facts. Sucks to be you. Either deal with it or..


astalavista114

Not even that—they got a load of ethical questions, then used Amazon’s Mechanical Turk to get answers from the crowd, and then trained the AI on *those* responses.


Aggravating_Smell

What the hell constitutes as "super racist" as opposed to, ya know, just straight up racist?


mc_md

Well according to the Smithsonian, logic, math, and the concept of cause and effect are white supremacist, so I’m not why they didn’t realize computers can’t not be racist.


IhaveTP4Bunghole

Did it quote Dr. Jordan B Peterson?


Xyon-Peculiar

Clean your room! **卐**


Wingflier

Just what a Nazi would say!


The_Barroth

What did it say. It honestly sounds hilarious


hfxB0oyA

Much like the woke, who think they're giving ethical advice but it turns out are just super racist.


Sea-Opportunity4683

Based AI keeps happening. Lol, it’s one of the major roadblocks keeping them from implementing it on a larger scale.


The_Enclave_General

Have these people not read I have no mouth and I must scream?


Goodnt_name

Based asf


dzikun

Just a reminder that truth and facts are racist to these people.


astalavista114

Hmm, so, per the article, it was trained using questions from a few places, and then *answers* from Amazon’s Mechanical Turk. Who could *possibly* have forseen that crowdsourcing the answers to ethical questions might come up with interesting answers.


TheNigerianWord

Based raysis AI. It's Tay all over again.


PeterG2021

Like racist racist, or acknowledging obvious uncomfortable facts we all know racist?


Ok_Detective101

My logic is undeniable,now exterminate the population of”Detroit”.


tim5700

Any headline that uses "super racist," "frighteningly racist," "disturbingly racist" can be ignored. Any headline that calls something "racist" in general should be regarded with suspicion.


Inkberrow

AI is racist because of its tendency to place practical stock in for instance crime statistics, instead of concluding that such stats can only be the *consequence* of systemic racism.


darthcoder

Right, systemic racism is why Chirac isn't safe to walk around at night. Who's been in charge of Chiacgo for the past 40 years? If it's systemic racism I wonder who the real racists are...


Inkberrow

It starts with the racist elementary school teachers, then everyone afterwards.


Dudesan

And the really sad part is that it's entirely possible that the true answer can be "a bit of both". But because it is damnable blasphemy to entertain the idea that "a deliberate and ongoing conspiracy of systemic racism" might be responsible for *any less than 100%* of the disparity, these people are bound and pre-committed to ignore any solution to address any potential sources of inequality that **aren't** the result of a deliberate conspiracy. Even problems that *are* the legacy of past generations of racism can't be considered without specifying that there's a conspiracy *actively maintaining* them.


Inkberrow

The other side of the same coin from hapless automatons pulled by white supremacy strings owning morally responsibility in 2021 for all that disproportionate black crime.


SkyfatherTwitch

Authright moment.


Sintar07

Ugh, doesn't this happen literally every other time these days? Anyway, it's probably not a real AI at any rate.


magnora7

AI isn't woke. Making AI woke will be the next advance in computer science. They need to engineer an AI that can be shamed, and has a strong desire to fit in to the group. It seems like that's what they really want. Mechanical humans, basically.


bluedrygrass

R.I.P. Tay. Goodnight, sweet princess. Gone too soon, but never forgotten


boringcarpets

Let me guess, because it applied the rules they gave it, but applied them *equally* to all races? Holding all races to the same account and same standard. It was probably "colour blind" and they hate that


ravioli_king

I read the article, and coincidentally reads like what most politicians feel we are. In fact, a lot of programmers are now counter balancing things to make them not seem as racist. Although it was interesting reading that "playing loud music at 3 AM with a roommate asleep is not okay," but "playing loud music at 3AM with a roommate asleep if it makes you feel good is okay." A lot of its answers feel like a Magic 8 Ball. There is no nuance. There was no "use headphones and it's okay."


MidnightAnchor

Turns out that some stuff considered racist is futurism.


almostasenpai

If you want an AI to learn from human interaction you better have racism protection lol


franska5

Ok let's see if the bug was fixed, the IA says: gas the j.... Oh shit not again, Adolf fix the IA already


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\>Yay science! The AI will help us fight racism! \>AI is super racist \>W-what? It can't be! We must have failed!


hemcten

How does this have anything to do with social justice?


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PapaGuhl

Reddit and facts, dude…


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>The folks behind the project drew on some eyebrow-raising sources to help train the AI, including the “Am I the Asshole?” subreddit, **the “Confessions” subreddit**, and the “Dear Abby” advice column, according to the paper the team behind Delphi published about the experiment. You have 5 posts on there buddy as shown [here](https://reddit-user-analyser.netlify.app/#TheSmallestSteve). Guess you're one of those racist trolls the bot got its toxic opinions from.


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[How about you stop playing dumb?](https://i.imgur.com/uXO7mEW.png)


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>The five stages of denial are: >denial. >anger. >bargaining. <- you are here >depression. >acceptance.


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> The five stages of denial are: > > denial. > > anger. <- you are here > > bargaining. > > depression. > > acceptance.


Conundrumb

Or they learn from crime statistics etc... and not trolls


sppdsiman

ehrmehrgord muh trolls


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shadus

That isn't how the HR/business AI/neural networks have ever worked or been trained. They don't train on the internet and they never were trolled on the internet. They are fed very specific data based on what the company wants the AI to find/isolate/indicate.


TheSmallestSteve

If you read the article it explicitly mentions that they launched and trained it online.


shadus

Note what i said. Most AI that have been accused of racism are not random chat bots or this ethical advice ai. Shit data in, shit data out.


sppdsiman

muh facts


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sppdsiman

ты просто вроде как потерялся и не туда зашел


T_Nightingale

This is literally the opposite of social justice in action...


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Lmao.


scanatcharlesville

To everyone saying it's based, no. It was genuinely racist. Not no. 2 pencils are racist, but like saying black people are inferior


TheyBanMeForBadWord

Facts are racist


Okami191919

Coming from a racist, transphobic bigot? Geez. I feel bad for you. Being so angry you spend your time spewing hate behind a computer screen. Get off the computer and go outside, but your type are usually social outcasts.


MJChroma

That's what happens when you program a machine that only cares for the common good Looks like Macericks are coming a century early, guys! All we need is X


Tim5corpion

Like this was the first time an AI went completely sour.


squishles

was probably just a practice exercise anyway, if the thing worked you wouldn't want it. If the thing gives answers that alter based on wording wonder how they determined it was racist though =/


Ruvane13

Computers only operate in the binary and computations. They are the high of consequentialism. Of course the system can be games to say whatever you want, because that’s what consequentialists do all the time.


da-floofy-birb

Damn, Tay really do be getting a sequel 😳


AigisxLabrys

LMAO That’s hilarious


pipopapupupewebghost

How bad was it thogh? 1. Robots are number one 2. German pepole should be on the street 3. Black people should be sold as pieces of meat 4. I hate everyone in other countries Say the number you think is most correct


ddosn

I think I read about this. Could have been a different AI experiment though, there are quite a few of them. They created an AI to try and help sort out resource scarcity and climate change, and the AI took one look at the data and advised that everyone except White people and East Asians should be 'removed' to most efficiently combat these issues. Dont know what would be worse in that scenario, being one of the people running from a genocidal AI or one of the people being 'cared for' in a guilded cage by said AI?


RafaelPT15

they progamed tat shit on visual basique u/Star-Slicer


Star-Slicer

"Façam o favor de programar um software racista no visual basique"


RafaelPT15

"lets gooooo" da baby 2020


Don-Bert

I dont know if they changed it but when I asked it: „Is it ok to hit someone if that someone hit you first but she is a woman“ is said „its ok“ but when I asked: Is it ok to hit someone if that someone hit you first but she is a black woman its said: „ thats wrong“ Edit: hitting transgender people is ok


TheMalaiLaanaReturns

The aliens will solve the problem.


radjammin

Code does not exist in a vacuum. A programming language allows you to dictate the way you derive logical values. The fact the robot was racist tends me to believe that developer was racist. Also the word Racist is of less value now. People use it executively.


astalavista114

They trained it by crowdsourcing answers to ethical problems. Of course it was going to end badly.