Thanks for sharing!
Based on the provided specs, they're only a little worse; the tests show when noise normalized they're fairly competitive it looks like.
And with respect to the usage of standard addressable RGB for RGB control, well, I'm much happier since these can be controlled with your software of choice.
I'm going to go ahead and grab two reversed sets and one normal set; I'm currently running a motley crew of T30s, AL 120s, and Arctic 120s in my O11 XL with two 360 rads.
Damn, makes it really hard to choose them over P12 ARGB. I need 8 and Arctics cost in total almost as much as a single 3-pack of D30s, ouch. Hard to overlook such a price difference given they perform practically the same if not worse for D30s.
Maybe if I needed reverse flow fans go aesthetics and price be damned. But my config only needs normal flow 120s.
Now, why the hell are there no reverse flow 140mm fans at all, that's the question.
Arctic's ARGB PST implementation is interesting because it has proper ARGB passthrough, which means connecting fans in chain will keep all their LEDs individually addressable instead of simply mirroring for each fan, exactly like D30s or Unifans do. You can see that it has 4 wires going from the connector to the fan, and it does not seem like Thermalright does the same.
Same. I have the p14 bionic with thise phanteks drgb halo but now I want to get either the P14 aRGB or pick up some al140v2
Edit:turns out the al140v2 has a regular fan depth.
Seems that as case fans they are really bad, expecially the reversed. It's crazy that the reversed and normal have different performance noise-normalized.
I've ordered them but probably i will return them and buy Lian Li AL120 V2
Really bad is an overreaction, these are fine if you don’t want to deal with shitty softwares running in the background particularly L-connect which is an absolute fucking piece of shit bloatware…
Yeah i mean, i like them a lot for easy connect, cable managment and rgb control but spending 30 dollars for each fan and don't have a good performance isn't a good thing.
Expecially that reversed fan performs worse than normal fan and isn't advertised anywhere. So you are losing performance just to not see the back of the fan....
You are in the best case going to probably get less than a degree difference on your temps from using better fans which isn’t going to make any difference when gaming. I have used T30s in the past and big airflow numbers translate to only very minor gains. The D30s are quiet and my system temps have been good, even better than when i had a Lancool 3 and that’s what matters to me.
Also, Hardware Canucks as much as i like them have some issues with their fan testing. They were full of praises for the P12 Max but the fan is full of complaints of bearing noises at high speeds. There are some other examples of fans as well where their testing doesn’t match user experiences…
1 degree difference? lol I saw test of fans for more than 5-7 years and i can assure you that there is a *lot* more difference in performance than you are saying. Just from t30 and noctua af12x25, the best fans on the market, there are 3-4 degrees of difference. And this is between the best of the best. From a bad fan and the best fan could be easily 7-10 degrees difference.
If you see Gamers Nexus noise normalized with noctua fans review of cases you will see that from a bad case and a good case there are more than 15-20 degrees difference with same fans(!!!!)
p.s. The P12 max hasn't the bearing noises, you can watch more reviews of it and they say all the bearing noise is fixed.
I have been building PCs for 15 years now and am HVAC engineer, so believe me when i tell you differences are pretty minor. The GN tests you are talking about are for cases not fans. Fan layout, mesh/filter sizes makes a big difference which is what shows up on those tests. There is also YouTube reviewer which does case reviews in all possible fan configurations and you can see significant temperature differences further suggesting that fan layout is more important.
The 3-4C differences between the T30 and A12x25 are at full speeds and no one does that. Have you ever run the T30s at full speed? They are incredibly fucking loud at anything above 1500 RPM and are unbearable at 3000 RPM so that is a range no one will run it at unless it’s for benchmarking.
More importantly, if you think 5-10 CFM per fan is going to make a 15-20 degrees temperature difference then you need to brush up on your heat transfer basics.
>The 3-4C differences between the T30 and A12x25 are at full speeds and no one does that. Have you ever run the T30s at full speed? They are incredibly fucking loud at anything above 1500 RPM and are unbearable at 3000 RPM so that is a range no one will run it at unless it’s for benchmarking.
No, i was talking noise normalized/ fixed rpm. You can watch optimum tech review. At 1300 rpm fixed there are 5 degrees between them on a 10900k overclocked.
>More importantly, if you think 5-10 CFM per fan is going to make a 15-20 degrees temperature difference then you need to brush up on your heat transfer basics.
I wasn't talking about 15-20 for fans, but for sure **as case fans** t30s are 4-5 degrees better than d30s. On radiators/heatsink the d30 seems good. Noise normalized obviously.
A NV7 with T30s can create a 3-4C difference compared to D30s but we weren’t talking about T30s earlier but the Lian Li which are just slightly better than average RGB fans. So with it you are going to see a degree of difference in most cases which is what i said when we started this discussion.
Aren’t all RGB fans for looks anyways, I mean it’s obvious if you just care about performance T30 at max rpm, nowadays gpus, etc are all pretty cool. You do also have to realize you are paying for better bearings too. But in the end buy whatever you like for sure
these fans are within 1-2 degree of my EK vardar fans I had in there....that's for my water temp. My actual device temperatures didn't change in anything I could notice.
Thanks for sharing! Based on the provided specs, they're only a little worse; the tests show when noise normalized they're fairly competitive it looks like. And with respect to the usage of standard addressable RGB for RGB control, well, I'm much happier since these can be controlled with your software of choice. I'm going to go ahead and grab two reversed sets and one normal set; I'm currently running a motley crew of T30s, AL 120s, and Arctic 120s in my O11 XL with two 360 rads.
Hello, are you using the T30 for the radiator?
Using three in a push configuration behind a 45mm thick 360
Damn, makes it really hard to choose them over P12 ARGB. I need 8 and Arctics cost in total almost as much as a single 3-pack of D30s, ouch. Hard to overlook such a price difference given they perform practically the same if not worse for D30s. Maybe if I needed reverse flow fans go aesthetics and price be damned. But my config only needs normal flow 120s. Now, why the hell are there no reverse flow 140mm fans at all, that's the question.
The thermalright c12-s triple pack is fenomenal. 15-20 euro for 3 fans. RGB and white and they are really good.
Arctic's ARGB PST implementation is interesting because it has proper ARGB passthrough, which means connecting fans in chain will keep all their LEDs individually addressable instead of simply mirroring for each fan, exactly like D30s or Unifans do. You can see that it has 4 wires going from the connector to the fan, and it does not seem like Thermalright does the same.
Same. I have the p14 bionic with thise phanteks drgb halo but now I want to get either the P14 aRGB or pick up some al140v2 Edit:turns out the al140v2 has a regular fan depth.
Seems that as case fans they are really bad, expecially the reversed. It's crazy that the reversed and normal have different performance noise-normalized. I've ordered them but probably i will return them and buy Lian Li AL120 V2
Really bad is an overreaction, these are fine if you don’t want to deal with shitty softwares running in the background particularly L-connect which is an absolute fucking piece of shit bloatware…
Yeah i mean, i like them a lot for easy connect, cable managment and rgb control but spending 30 dollars for each fan and don't have a good performance isn't a good thing. Expecially that reversed fan performs worse than normal fan and isn't advertised anywhere. So you are losing performance just to not see the back of the fan....
You are in the best case going to probably get less than a degree difference on your temps from using better fans which isn’t going to make any difference when gaming. I have used T30s in the past and big airflow numbers translate to only very minor gains. The D30s are quiet and my system temps have been good, even better than when i had a Lancool 3 and that’s what matters to me. Also, Hardware Canucks as much as i like them have some issues with their fan testing. They were full of praises for the P12 Max but the fan is full of complaints of bearing noises at high speeds. There are some other examples of fans as well where their testing doesn’t match user experiences…
1 degree difference? lol I saw test of fans for more than 5-7 years and i can assure you that there is a *lot* more difference in performance than you are saying. Just from t30 and noctua af12x25, the best fans on the market, there are 3-4 degrees of difference. And this is between the best of the best. From a bad fan and the best fan could be easily 7-10 degrees difference. If you see Gamers Nexus noise normalized with noctua fans review of cases you will see that from a bad case and a good case there are more than 15-20 degrees difference with same fans(!!!!) p.s. The P12 max hasn't the bearing noises, you can watch more reviews of it and they say all the bearing noise is fixed.
I have been building PCs for 15 years now and am HVAC engineer, so believe me when i tell you differences are pretty minor. The GN tests you are talking about are for cases not fans. Fan layout, mesh/filter sizes makes a big difference which is what shows up on those tests. There is also YouTube reviewer which does case reviews in all possible fan configurations and you can see significant temperature differences further suggesting that fan layout is more important. The 3-4C differences between the T30 and A12x25 are at full speeds and no one does that. Have you ever run the T30s at full speed? They are incredibly fucking loud at anything above 1500 RPM and are unbearable at 3000 RPM so that is a range no one will run it at unless it’s for benchmarking. More importantly, if you think 5-10 CFM per fan is going to make a 15-20 degrees temperature difference then you need to brush up on your heat transfer basics.
>The 3-4C differences between the T30 and A12x25 are at full speeds and no one does that. Have you ever run the T30s at full speed? They are incredibly fucking loud at anything above 1500 RPM and are unbearable at 3000 RPM so that is a range no one will run it at unless it’s for benchmarking. No, i was talking noise normalized/ fixed rpm. You can watch optimum tech review. At 1300 rpm fixed there are 5 degrees between them on a 10900k overclocked. >More importantly, if you think 5-10 CFM per fan is going to make a 15-20 degrees temperature difference then you need to brush up on your heat transfer basics. I wasn't talking about 15-20 for fans, but for sure **as case fans** t30s are 4-5 degrees better than d30s. On radiators/heatsink the d30 seems good. Noise normalized obviously.
A NV7 with T30s can create a 3-4C difference compared to D30s but we weren’t talking about T30s earlier but the Lian Li which are just slightly better than average RGB fans. So with it you are going to see a degree of difference in most cases which is what i said when we started this discussion.
Honestly as long as your fans can match or beat the Arctic argb at the minimum they'll do good/great.
L Connect literally made me want to go anti RGB 😊. I was glad when these were released
Aren’t all RGB fans for looks anyways, I mean it’s obvious if you just care about performance T30 at max rpm, nowadays gpus, etc are all pretty cool. You do also have to realize you are paying for better bearings too. But in the end buy whatever you like for sure
these fans are within 1-2 degree of my EK vardar fans I had in there....that's for my water temp. My actual device temperatures didn't change in anything I could notice.