I know it's ultimately not a big deal, but I just wanted to let you know that in the 5th answer under the question "What platform do you use to visit r/NintendoSwitch?," the word "Android" has a typo missing the letter "r."
Tapping the link in the reddit app bypasses google’s sign in requirement which means that it’s impossible to hit “Next” after the first survey page. When tapping the link from the same post in Safari, it does prompt me to sign in and will work. Not sure what could be done to fix this on your end though.
I think Rule 4 needs to be enforced a bit more strictly. Or at the very least have some ruling clarified.
It isn't uncommon to see people post a box of a game they got early, or some copy of a video game that got signed. I consider these kind of posts to be pretty low effort, and not really fit with rule 4.
This is something I've noticed isn't mentioned specifically in the rules — we allow the *first* copy of a game to be posted which usually happens to be an early copy.
Our removal macro mentions "**Unique or unreleased** products which **haven't been posted before**", but this isn't in the rules. So whether this is something we mention in the rules or stop doing, we'll see.
There are a lot of other unmentioned nuances in the rules which is something we want to tackle.
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/stkavj/this_bears_repeating_nintendo_killing_virtual/hx5duw0/
I hate this rule as it stands.
Talking about emulation and piracy is one thing.
Encouraging it, even without providing links or guides, is another thing entirely, and it makes me (and I would wager others) very uncomfortable.
But there I go again, yelling at clouds like an old man
Why does it make you uncomfortable? I encounter people encouraging behavior I disagree with or find immoral every day of my life, I certainly wouldn't say there should be a law prohibiting them from doing so.
What you are talking about is not at all the same thing that I am talking about.
In the thread that I linked, there is a top comment that literally says, "Pirate it all. Fuck em."
I do not come to a Nintendo sub to be told to pirate their games. It's gross and entitled.
I do not agree with everything that Nintendo does and I am not making excuses. I should not even have to **say** that, but I know that everyone will turn on me if I don't include a disclaimer.
There are places to discuss and advocate for piracy and emulation. This sub should not be one of those places. I prefer original hardware and software. And I am not alone.
And *I’m* pretty sure that they used to sell Virtual Console games for reasonable prices, and that most other studios don’t charge $60 for ports of $20 games and then delist the lower-priced options to hide what they’ve done. Nintendo is the most profitable company in the industry, and yet far greedier than any of the others, all while actively shutting down preservation efforts that boosted the popularity of a lot of their franchises in the first place. They charged $2 more for Mother and Earthbound when they finally came to Wii U’s Virtual Console knowing full well that value of those games was only perceived as higher because of their popularity in the emulation scene. Their treatment of their back catalog is negligent at best and downright despicable at its worst. If you want further proof of this, buy Super Mario 3D All-Stars on the eShop. Oh, right, you *can’t*, because they thrive on nostalgia, forced shortages, and FOMO. I love a lot of things about Nintendo, but they are actively forcing people to go down the emulation path and then whining about it when it inevitably happens, just to make people like you feel bad. They’ve made their bed, let them sleep in it.
And I don't want to see posts that call people who pirate "gross and entitled". People don't come to this sub to be insulted either. But instead of thinking you should be forbidden to have that viewpoint, I simply express my disagreement, just as you are free to do.
You are welcome to your preferences. You are welcome to express them. You are not welcome to decide your preferences are the only preferences people are allowed to express.
Did I say people who pirate are gross and entitled?
No.
I said that people who flat out encourage piracy because "Nintendo bad" is gross and entitled.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I'll gladly revise my sentiment then, if you are going to be pedantic and ignore the actual thing I am saying:
And I don't want to see posts that call people who encourage piracy "gross and entitled". People don't come to this sub to be insulted either. But
instead of thinking you should be forbidden to have that viewpoint, I
simply express my disagreement, just as you are free to do.
Me: "You can't police other people's opinions just like you wouldn't want your opinions policed"
You: "Um, actually, I have a bit of a different opinion than what you said"
This is a legitimate issue on this sub. I am not insulting you personally. I am not calling you gross or entitled. However, you are calling me pedantic and being incredibly dismissive.
This is the place to voice concerns about rules on this sub, and this is the place where rules can get changed. We already have a rule regarding direct links to emulators and roms. Guess why? Because piracy is illegal. And encouraging **anything** illegal is gross and entitled. I do not care if you downvote me.
And people saying "everyone should pirate" are not issuing you any direct orders. Yet you seem to have taken it personally. The only person in this discussion who is being dismissive is you because you are the only person who is saying a certain opinion should be banned from the subreddit. This is indeed the place to voice concerns. Not once have I said "This sort of post should be deleted" or "This sort of post should be against the rules". But this subreddit is also a place to discuss Nintendo video games and emulation and piracy are part of video game discussion. And unlike me, you ARE saying "This sort of post should be deleted and against the rules".
I'm a lawyer. If you really truly think the law should be an arbiter of morality such that encouraging ANYTHING illegal is gross and entitled, you either do not understand law or you do not understand morality.
The law is written by privileged people, often written because THEY are gross and because THEY are entitled. The state of copyright law in this country is designed specifically to help large corporations keep a stranglehold on media and to harm and suppress independent creators.
First off, I'd like to say that the mod team has been doing an amazing work through the years! Thanks for that :)
IMHO, I've the feeling that if there's been so few posted fan arts for the last months it's because of the only on weekend rule. I'm down for allowing fan arts any day of the week but still with restrictions. I would think of something like:
- One fan art per week per user to avoid flooding and keep the sub top quality;
- No sketch, doodle, or WIP/unfinished artwork, for same reason as above.
- [maybe "risky" but what about allowing fan art for non-Nintendo exclusive games but discovered on the Switch?]
About rule 4, absence of meme, NSFW and low-effort makes me appreciate the sub even more. There's enough meme and low-quality effort post on other subs. For NSFW, I'm not a prude or anything but there are subs made specifically for that type of content.
For screenshots/video clips that's nice how it is. Like for memes, other subs are flooded by those and that lesser the overall sub "content quality". Again: imho.
Keep up the good work guys! 😉
I would have to disagree with this, and I think the weekend rule worked out perfectly in the end. A big problem I have with it is that this subreddit covers a vast amount of IPs and other topics. That means that there are a ton of possible fan art that can be created that would fit this sub. This subreddit will be flooded with fanart, and have nothing to discuss.
I have seen it happen before on previous subreddits. While I don't mind the fanart itself, I don't want to see it flooding out any news or discussions. News doesn't really get posted much on the weekends. So I feel like it is a good compromise.
> this subreddit covers a vast amount of IPs and other topics.
I want to say that there's a bit of a thing to think about lately lately. We try to only allow Switch-specific art. When I joined as a mod in 2019, it was very easy to differentiate Switch related fan art and not. There wasn't a lot of remasters, ports, emulators etc.
Now, there's so many games on the Switch that it's not as easy as fan art: "this isn't Odyssey-specific mario" or "this isn't BOTW link". Now there's so many different games, ports, remasters etc.
Noted and agreed, I haven’t been on the sub for long so I trust opinion from someone with a larger experience :) don’t know if that makes sense, I guess I tried to find a sort of compromise.
Rule 3 seems to be unevenly applied in my opinion. I’ve had several posts removed due to Rule 3 - and I didn’t understand the reasoning behind it. I see a lot of the same type of thread happening and those don’t tend to be removed anywhere near as quickly as a specific and narrow question I had. Being directed to the daily question thread isn’t helpful for me because I rarely get any answers there and don’t have my issue solved. I don’t think that many people go to the daily question thread in the first place.
I also vaguely remember posting some art I made before and iirc it was removed for being “low effort.” I’ll admit I’m not the greatest artist in the world, but they were hardly a bunch of stick figures and I worked hard on it.
Agreed. I tried creating a genuine discussion, but it was removed and I couldn’t understand why. It was an open-ended question that I was interested in discussing. It wasn’t something that could receive a quick answer in the daily thread. And I had seen similar, though not the same, discussions happen before.
Honestly it’s been a while since I’ve posted anything (~6 months) since I didn’t want to deal with anything getting removed again (didn’t want to risk a possible ban over Rule 3). I’ll comment on other people’s posts but don’t bother with my own anymore really so I don’t really have recent examples unfortunately. It does seem like there are very similar posts that happen in one day even that don’t get removed (ie game news/announcements for the same game posted by multiple people) but when I’ve had questions they end up deleted and never get answered after being relegated to the daily question thread.
I do appreciate that modding can be a cumbersome task - especially given the size of the subreddit. I just got frustrated and ended up “lurking” more often than not. I like that this survey is happening, so that’s cool.
>(didn’t want to risk a possible ban over Rule 3).
FWIW rule 3 removals are not really a warning, moreso a re-direction to the daily thread. And sometimes removals are reversed if the user modmails us and makes a good case as to why this is a topic that can be widely discussed. We do listen to user feedback, which is probably why you're seeing more game rec threads lately rather than being forced into the daily thread.
It's a good survey. I'm looking forward to the results, if a summary will be shared.
I wanted to give a little extra feedback on rule 3 as I found it challenging to express my thoughts on it through the numerical scales on the form:
Rule 3 has always struck me as double-edged. On the one hand, it helps with keeping the subreddit readable and approachable, allowing bigger news to be easily found even if someone doesn't visit the sub multiple times a day. Without it, the sub would likely become spam-y with a low interaction-per-post ratio, lowering the value of it both as a community platform and a news source.
On the other hand, though, I've often felt that if it is applied rigorously, the sub can seem inactive and the Switch community on Reddit somewhat "dead", with few or no hooks for social engagement, which discourages frequent visits and may seem somewhat uninviting. There are days where I stop by and only see five or six new posts made in the past 18 hours, and all of them are just Twitter shares. This makes it easy to stay in the Nintendo Switch loop with minimal time investment, but offers little opportunity to discuss and mingle with other Switch gamers on Reddit.
I realize that there is a Discord server for social interaction. While I use Discord, large servers with many users have never felt very suitable for asynchronous discussions to me. They are good for live chats, in essence enhanced chat rooms, but don't offer a forum-like experience. I've "grown up" on BBS systems and Usenet, and later participated in web forums, and Reddit is the closest contemporary version of this particular type of communication platform.
It's however possible that my desire for that experience is just outdated, and that most people's social needs may well be satisfied by Discord or the condensed comments sections on YouTube and Twitter.
If more people do share my preference for a forum-like experience, though, I'm not sure what the solution may be. Occasional exceptions are made and these posts tend to attract a lot of responses and activity (the "Switch changed my life", "Do you prefer physical or digital?", "How would you improve the Switch?" etc type of posts, which I agree we don't need 20 of every day) , and this may quite possibly already be the best approach, even though it may seem a little inconsistent because the majority of new posts seem to get deleted if they are not news (I always wonder how this affects new or potential Switch owners who come here brimming with enthusiasm, looking to be part of the community, just to have their very first post get removed).
A possible option might be additional dedicated discussion posts focused on specific (general) topics, somewhat similar to the Daily Questions posts. Or some other compromise that retains the sub's value as a source for news and information, while still allowing room for just talking about the system and exchanging opinions.
All that said, I appreciate all the unpaid work and effort that goes into managing this subreddit. In my three years here, the way the sub and related activities have been run always seemed professional, thoughtful and well-structured to me. So, thanks for all you do!
I completely agree about Discord. I’m an active Discord user in small servers, but a large one for something like this, I much prefer the Reddit format.
This is all solid feedback!
Rule 3 can definitely be a double-edged sword. We don't want to go as far as /r/SpaceX where there are only 1-2 new posts a day, but we also don't want regular visitors to be fatigued by running across the 274th question that could have easily been Googled.
Discord _does_ have a new feature called Forum channels where it acts like you're describing! We have it enabled in a few portions of our server such as #game-recommendations and #switch-help, and we're also considering updating our #looking-for-group channel to this style as well. If you haven't popped in for a while, it may be worth a quick look.
Recurring automated discussion posts are something we've discussed internally. What sorts of topics would you like to see covered?
I certainly wish more fan-art and memes were allowed. The subreddit feels kinda sterile without them.
I know it's ultimately not a big deal, but I just wanted to let you know that in the 5th answer under the question "What platform do you use to visit r/NintendoSwitch?," the word "Android" has a typo missing the letter "r."
Thanks!
This survey doesn’t seem to be working for mobile
In what way?
Tapping the link in the reddit app bypasses google’s sign in requirement which means that it’s impossible to hit “Next” after the first survey page. When tapping the link from the same post in Safari, it does prompt me to sign in and will work. Not sure what could be done to fix this on your end though.
I think Rule 4 needs to be enforced a bit more strictly. Or at the very least have some ruling clarified. It isn't uncommon to see people post a box of a game they got early, or some copy of a video game that got signed. I consider these kind of posts to be pretty low effort, and not really fit with rule 4.
This is something I've noticed isn't mentioned specifically in the rules — we allow the *first* copy of a game to be posted which usually happens to be an early copy. Our removal macro mentions "**Unique or unreleased** products which **haven't been posted before**", but this isn't in the rules. So whether this is something we mention in the rules or stop doing, we'll see. There are a lot of other unmentioned nuances in the rules which is something we want to tackle.
I've mentioned this before, but it bears repeating: https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/stkavj/this_bears_repeating_nintendo_killing_virtual/hx5duw0/ I hate this rule as it stands. Talking about emulation and piracy is one thing. Encouraging it, even without providing links or guides, is another thing entirely, and it makes me (and I would wager others) very uncomfortable. But there I go again, yelling at clouds like an old man
Why does it make you uncomfortable? I encounter people encouraging behavior I disagree with or find immoral every day of my life, I certainly wouldn't say there should be a law prohibiting them from doing so.
What you are talking about is not at all the same thing that I am talking about. In the thread that I linked, there is a top comment that literally says, "Pirate it all. Fuck em." I do not come to a Nintendo sub to be told to pirate their games. It's gross and entitled. I do not agree with everything that Nintendo does and I am not making excuses. I should not even have to **say** that, but I know that everyone will turn on me if I don't include a disclaimer. There are places to discuss and advocate for piracy and emulation. This sub should not be one of those places. I prefer original hardware and software. And I am not alone.
What’s gross and entitled is Nintendo making access to their old games expensive at best and literally impossible at worst.
Pretty sure it's Nintendo's stuff.
And *I’m* pretty sure that they used to sell Virtual Console games for reasonable prices, and that most other studios don’t charge $60 for ports of $20 games and then delist the lower-priced options to hide what they’ve done. Nintendo is the most profitable company in the industry, and yet far greedier than any of the others, all while actively shutting down preservation efforts that boosted the popularity of a lot of their franchises in the first place. They charged $2 more for Mother and Earthbound when they finally came to Wii U’s Virtual Console knowing full well that value of those games was only perceived as higher because of their popularity in the emulation scene. Their treatment of their back catalog is negligent at best and downright despicable at its worst. If you want further proof of this, buy Super Mario 3D All-Stars on the eShop. Oh, right, you *can’t*, because they thrive on nostalgia, forced shortages, and FOMO. I love a lot of things about Nintendo, but they are actively forcing people to go down the emulation path and then whining about it when it inevitably happens, just to make people like you feel bad. They’ve made their bed, let them sleep in it.
And I don't want to see posts that call people who pirate "gross and entitled". People don't come to this sub to be insulted either. But instead of thinking you should be forbidden to have that viewpoint, I simply express my disagreement, just as you are free to do. You are welcome to your preferences. You are welcome to express them. You are not welcome to decide your preferences are the only preferences people are allowed to express.
Did I say people who pirate are gross and entitled? No. I said that people who flat out encourage piracy because "Nintendo bad" is gross and entitled. Don't put words in my mouth.
I'll gladly revise my sentiment then, if you are going to be pedantic and ignore the actual thing I am saying: And I don't want to see posts that call people who encourage piracy "gross and entitled". People don't come to this sub to be insulted either. But instead of thinking you should be forbidden to have that viewpoint, I simply express my disagreement, just as you are free to do.
Me: "You can't police other people's opinions just like you wouldn't want your opinions policed" You: "Um, actually, I have a bit of a different opinion than what you said"
This is a legitimate issue on this sub. I am not insulting you personally. I am not calling you gross or entitled. However, you are calling me pedantic and being incredibly dismissive. This is the place to voice concerns about rules on this sub, and this is the place where rules can get changed. We already have a rule regarding direct links to emulators and roms. Guess why? Because piracy is illegal. And encouraging **anything** illegal is gross and entitled. I do not care if you downvote me.
And people saying "everyone should pirate" are not issuing you any direct orders. Yet you seem to have taken it personally. The only person in this discussion who is being dismissive is you because you are the only person who is saying a certain opinion should be banned from the subreddit. This is indeed the place to voice concerns. Not once have I said "This sort of post should be deleted" or "This sort of post should be against the rules". But this subreddit is also a place to discuss Nintendo video games and emulation and piracy are part of video game discussion. And unlike me, you ARE saying "This sort of post should be deleted and against the rules". I'm a lawyer. If you really truly think the law should be an arbiter of morality such that encouraging ANYTHING illegal is gross and entitled, you either do not understand law or you do not understand morality.
The law is written by privileged people, often written because THEY are gross and because THEY are entitled. The state of copyright law in this country is designed specifically to help large corporations keep a stranglehold on media and to harm and suppress independent creators.
First off, I'd like to say that the mod team has been doing an amazing work through the years! Thanks for that :) IMHO, I've the feeling that if there's been so few posted fan arts for the last months it's because of the only on weekend rule. I'm down for allowing fan arts any day of the week but still with restrictions. I would think of something like: - One fan art per week per user to avoid flooding and keep the sub top quality; - No sketch, doodle, or WIP/unfinished artwork, for same reason as above. - [maybe "risky" but what about allowing fan art for non-Nintendo exclusive games but discovered on the Switch?] About rule 4, absence of meme, NSFW and low-effort makes me appreciate the sub even more. There's enough meme and low-quality effort post on other subs. For NSFW, I'm not a prude or anything but there are subs made specifically for that type of content. For screenshots/video clips that's nice how it is. Like for memes, other subs are flooded by those and that lesser the overall sub "content quality". Again: imho. Keep up the good work guys! 😉
I would have to disagree with this, and I think the weekend rule worked out perfectly in the end. A big problem I have with it is that this subreddit covers a vast amount of IPs and other topics. That means that there are a ton of possible fan art that can be created that would fit this sub. This subreddit will be flooded with fanart, and have nothing to discuss. I have seen it happen before on previous subreddits. While I don't mind the fanart itself, I don't want to see it flooding out any news or discussions. News doesn't really get posted much on the weekends. So I feel like it is a good compromise.
> this subreddit covers a vast amount of IPs and other topics. I want to say that there's a bit of a thing to think about lately lately. We try to only allow Switch-specific art. When I joined as a mod in 2019, it was very easy to differentiate Switch related fan art and not. There wasn't a lot of remasters, ports, emulators etc. Now, there's so many games on the Switch that it's not as easy as fan art: "this isn't Odyssey-specific mario" or "this isn't BOTW link". Now there's so many different games, ports, remasters etc.
Noted and agreed, I haven’t been on the sub for long so I trust opinion from someone with a larger experience :) don’t know if that makes sense, I guess I tried to find a sort of compromise.
Rule 3 seems to be unevenly applied in my opinion. I’ve had several posts removed due to Rule 3 - and I didn’t understand the reasoning behind it. I see a lot of the same type of thread happening and those don’t tend to be removed anywhere near as quickly as a specific and narrow question I had. Being directed to the daily question thread isn’t helpful for me because I rarely get any answers there and don’t have my issue solved. I don’t think that many people go to the daily question thread in the first place. I also vaguely remember posting some art I made before and iirc it was removed for being “low effort.” I’ll admit I’m not the greatest artist in the world, but they were hardly a bunch of stick figures and I worked hard on it.
Agreed. I tried creating a genuine discussion, but it was removed and I couldn’t understand why. It was an open-ended question that I was interested in discussing. It wasn’t something that could receive a quick answer in the daily thread. And I had seen similar, though not the same, discussions happen before.
Honestly this has been my experience with this sub in general. Lopsided moderation across the board.
Would you happen to have any specific examples of both removed and approved posts you feel were contradictory? You can message modmail or reply here.
Honestly it’s been a while since I’ve posted anything (~6 months) since I didn’t want to deal with anything getting removed again (didn’t want to risk a possible ban over Rule 3). I’ll comment on other people’s posts but don’t bother with my own anymore really so I don’t really have recent examples unfortunately. It does seem like there are very similar posts that happen in one day even that don’t get removed (ie game news/announcements for the same game posted by multiple people) but when I’ve had questions they end up deleted and never get answered after being relegated to the daily question thread. I do appreciate that modding can be a cumbersome task - especially given the size of the subreddit. I just got frustrated and ended up “lurking” more often than not. I like that this survey is happening, so that’s cool.
>(didn’t want to risk a possible ban over Rule 3). FWIW rule 3 removals are not really a warning, moreso a re-direction to the daily thread. And sometimes removals are reversed if the user modmails us and makes a good case as to why this is a topic that can be widely discussed. We do listen to user feedback, which is probably why you're seeing more game rec threads lately rather than being forced into the daily thread.
Ah okay. That’s good to know, thank you. Appreciate the info and the willingness to listen to users here! 🥰
I hate surveys.
It's a good survey. I'm looking forward to the results, if a summary will be shared. I wanted to give a little extra feedback on rule 3 as I found it challenging to express my thoughts on it through the numerical scales on the form: Rule 3 has always struck me as double-edged. On the one hand, it helps with keeping the subreddit readable and approachable, allowing bigger news to be easily found even if someone doesn't visit the sub multiple times a day. Without it, the sub would likely become spam-y with a low interaction-per-post ratio, lowering the value of it both as a community platform and a news source. On the other hand, though, I've often felt that if it is applied rigorously, the sub can seem inactive and the Switch community on Reddit somewhat "dead", with few or no hooks for social engagement, which discourages frequent visits and may seem somewhat uninviting. There are days where I stop by and only see five or six new posts made in the past 18 hours, and all of them are just Twitter shares. This makes it easy to stay in the Nintendo Switch loop with minimal time investment, but offers little opportunity to discuss and mingle with other Switch gamers on Reddit. I realize that there is a Discord server for social interaction. While I use Discord, large servers with many users have never felt very suitable for asynchronous discussions to me. They are good for live chats, in essence enhanced chat rooms, but don't offer a forum-like experience. I've "grown up" on BBS systems and Usenet, and later participated in web forums, and Reddit is the closest contemporary version of this particular type of communication platform. It's however possible that my desire for that experience is just outdated, and that most people's social needs may well be satisfied by Discord or the condensed comments sections on YouTube and Twitter. If more people do share my preference for a forum-like experience, though, I'm not sure what the solution may be. Occasional exceptions are made and these posts tend to attract a lot of responses and activity (the "Switch changed my life", "Do you prefer physical or digital?", "How would you improve the Switch?" etc type of posts, which I agree we don't need 20 of every day) , and this may quite possibly already be the best approach, even though it may seem a little inconsistent because the majority of new posts seem to get deleted if they are not news (I always wonder how this affects new or potential Switch owners who come here brimming with enthusiasm, looking to be part of the community, just to have their very first post get removed). A possible option might be additional dedicated discussion posts focused on specific (general) topics, somewhat similar to the Daily Questions posts. Or some other compromise that retains the sub's value as a source for news and information, while still allowing room for just talking about the system and exchanging opinions. All that said, I appreciate all the unpaid work and effort that goes into managing this subreddit. In my three years here, the way the sub and related activities have been run always seemed professional, thoughtful and well-structured to me. So, thanks for all you do!
I completely agree about Discord. I’m an active Discord user in small servers, but a large one for something like this, I much prefer the Reddit format.
This is all solid feedback! Rule 3 can definitely be a double-edged sword. We don't want to go as far as /r/SpaceX where there are only 1-2 new posts a day, but we also don't want regular visitors to be fatigued by running across the 274th question that could have easily been Googled. Discord _does_ have a new feature called Forum channels where it acts like you're describing! We have it enabled in a few portions of our server such as #game-recommendations and #switch-help, and we're also considering updating our #looking-for-group channel to this style as well. If you haven't popped in for a while, it may be worth a quick look. Recurring automated discussion posts are something we've discussed internally. What sorts of topics would you like to see covered?