By - Iorith
I believe they would handle it the same way that the Sith Empire and Old Republic handled planets like Alderaan.
Each side would choose a couple of nations or groups (probably the strongest if we are talking about Earth), and would ally themselves with them.
They would then conduct warfare or missions that try to destabilize the other side's ally (kind of like a proxy war but with more involvement).
They are totally going to pull an Onderon on Earth... Aren't they..?!
So it's the British method then
And perfected by the Americans.
“I learned it from you, Dad.”
Alderaan got special treatment that most worlds never would have gotten thanks to it being a Founder World of the Republic and a place with a rich Force Sensitivity history. Most planets would not get such subversive treatment due to lacking in strategic and political value and would just face bombardment if the ruling Galactic power actually felt it needed to do something with said world as opposed to ignoring it outright.
This is true but I think we can assume that a planet like Earth would be considered useful both strategically and politically and therefore I think they would treat it the same as Alderaan.
Why though? We’re technologically inferior, and it’s not like the galaxy is lacking for natural resources or worlds that can support human life.
It depends on how you implement earth in the galaxy . If you just plop in our planet in the Star Wars Galaxy, we are useless.
But, if the Empire or New Republic travel to our galaxy, then I feel they would definitely like to talk to the people on the one planet that has life as far as we know. If not from a strategic perspective ( which we would possess), then a scientific and exploratory perspective
I dunno, as far as odds go the chances are there’s other worlds with life, and Star Wars ships are able to check a lot of planets pretty quickly. I doubt even then we’d be of any particular prominence.
This planet has a lot of water in three different forms simultaneously. Fuck Tatooine.
Water is one of the most common elements in the universe.
Then Earth is not unique!?
It certainly isn't. Though it is somewhat rare.
But mainly what I was getting at is that the majority (95%) of the water in our solar system isn't actually on Earth, it's frozen in the asteroid belt. Wherever you have asteroid belts you're going to find water.
Alderaan was a founding world of the Republic.
Naboo from episode 1 has at least two different separate governments and societies. But I guess the galactic senate just forgot about the gungans haha
oddly enough that is totally in character for what eventually happened. The Naboo and the Gungans "shares" representation for the planet. So when padme was unavailable Palpatine tricked Jar Jar into giving him emergency powers.
MEANING: The Gungan Representative had as much authority as the Naboo Representative. even if Palpatine used it to his advantage.
That’s right. I wonder how their forms of government changed after the treaty at the end of episode one? I always took it to mean that they were under a single governing entity but I’ve never given it that much thought.
Aside from Darth Darth Binks, was there actually a Gungan representative? I got the impression the senator from Naboo really only represented the Naboo as the Gungans were reclusive. Well, legally, represented the entire planet but they maybe didn’t have much say in it.
I'm assuming the Republic Senate has different rules for absences than the US Senate, where IIRC the seat is just empty until the senator returns.
Either Padme was able to appoint Jar Jar directly as her stand-in, or there was a clear "line of succession" that was followed to ensure Naboo had representation during her absence.
Representatives can stand in for a Senator, but they did not have Senatorial power. They could only use Senatorial power if the Senator was off planet and unreachable.
For Naboo I think that at least de-jure is that the human settlers "own" the planet and Gunfan citites either are more of an autnomous region or a type of [indian reservarion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation).
It’s pretty clear from the tensions between the societies, too, that the Naboo are basically colonizers who get to decide the fate of things and keep the Gungans at the margins until circumstance forces them to eat crow
I always took from TPM that the Naboo barely know the Gungans exist - Some are aware of rumours of underground cities. Padme appears to be aware of them, but Jar Jar is the first one she's ever seen.
The ‘Indian’ comparison is apt, as the Gungans are seen as a primitive indigenous people, not unlike the Ewoks.
Yep because no one wants to remember Senator Binks
I just watched episode one for the first time in a while and I forgot how much jar jar is in it. He only has three fewer minutes of screen time than obi wan and a lot of obi wan’s screen time is just him sitting on the ship. Try as I might, I can’t scrub senator binks from my brain.
I haven't watched the original Episode 1 since The Phantom Edit was released.
This is the way
Though now Legends, Starfighters of Adumar asks a similar question.
Was about to comment this when I saw the post.
This is the only answer. Superpowers pick a proxy, prop them up, and let them take the brunt of casualties in the conflict.
Well Mandalore is a partial example.
They were sorta unified under the "new Mandalorians" but also not really very well, and that was crumbling by the time the empire rose anyhow. And the empire's answer was to burn the whole place to the ground.
Can't deal with multiple governments on a planet if there are no more governments left
Problem solved ;)
The empire only burnt Mandalore after they had the audacity to think their warrior past and plucky go get’em attitude would let them stand up to the empire and live to tell the tale.
Yeah what lead to that by the way? Did clan Saxon losing control of the situation cause the empire to just go "nah fuck it, this ain't worth the hassle anymore" and firebomb what was left of the planet?
Mandalore rose up in rebellion against the empire and were made an example of. A pretty perfect example actually considering their fierce reputation made the empire absolutely stomping them even more impressive/scary for the rest of the galaxy.
Not really. Mandalore was too weak to be a threat. Millennia of infighting, then the New Mandalorians exiling warriors, then more infighting. The Empire had the resources of a Galaxy, Mandalore had lost most of it’s fighting strength.
Oh definitely. They had no chance whatsoever. I was more referring to the near mythical reputation their warriors have in the galaxy. When you hear people in Star Wars talk about the martial reputation of a people it’s nearly always the physical prowess of the Wookiees, the warrior traditions of the Mandalorians, and the legendary magic and warrior traditions of the Jedi. And the empire beat all three of them soundly. That has to do something for the reputation of the empire inside the setting.
Eh, more on Filoni for screwing with established Mandalorian lore. The Mandalorian is basically him trying to apologize for ruining Mandalorians in the CW.
It’s especially sad since it was pre-Disney, so the Mandalorian canon was already set. Jango was Mand’alor. Then they added they New Mandalorians and screwed with the entire canon at the time. Suddenly we had the True Mandalorians under Jaster then Jango, Death Watch, and the New Mandalorians.
Disney only sowed more confusion when they killed the EU along with the True Mandalorians, leaving us only the wimpy New Mandos and the traitors of Death Watch.
Seemed to be basically that way
Mandalore isn’t a great example since the Republic defeating Mandalore in the Mandalorian Wars broke any sense of unity. They became more insular in their clans, or wandered as bounty hunters and mercs. It wasn’t until after the Yuuzhan Vong War that Boba finally put out the call for Mandalorians to come home and rebuild, and they were doing a decent job since the Vong had inadvertently uncovered a massive beskar vein, and allied with the Verpine. Sadly, the EU ended before we could see Mandalore restored.
The people of mon Cala were two different sovereign groups one with the CIS and one with the republic
I wouldn’t consider two factions a political landscape.
The CIS and the Republic both have the capability of taking and holding entire planets. So they probably each pick different rival nations to back and help them take over the entire planet.
Here is my understanding, based on what we've seen and what each political system represents.
**The Republic** would send representatives and ask if the Earth is interested in joining in an alliance. If so, the integration of Earth would be conducted. The Republic will begin trading resources/sending experts to boost the Earth into the next generation while Earth can modernize/keep its unique industries, cultures, local government systems, etc. In return, the Earth must pay taxes and must send a Representative(s) to participate in the Republic's Democratic system. If the Earth is under threat - whether internal or external, the Republic promises to send military and humanitarian assistance. Otherwise, differences between nations will be left resolved by the politicians living there.
Of course, there's no guarantee various members of the Republic won't take advantage of all this and attempt to seize these newfound industries, cultures, political systems for their own agendas.
**The CIS** would do similar but to a certain degree, force everyone to adopt its economic policies and military hardware. Members of the CIS will reign under the rigid leadership of its Council and Head of State. Each system is expected to contribute to the Confederacy and in doing so, the Confederacy will provide them protection. While there is a heavy emphasis on meritocratic principals, the CIS seeks to protect smaller and weaker star systems and colonies from falling under.
Any corrupting elements that attempt to take advantage of smaller member states will be purged....that is, in theory, anyway. Because the Council and Head of State possess the most political power, there isn't much to keep them in check - especially since the CIS Senate does not command as much authority as it would in the Republic.
Their relation to the Earth would be business-like but they'll turn a blind eye if any member of their most elite exploits the Earth for their own reasons. Naturally, these elite individuals possess quite the collection of wealth and star systems and will compete with their rivals to stay on top. Therefore, the Earth will find itself having to eventually band up with the individuals its interests best align with. Because of this unchecked and unproportionate distribution of power, the CIS would likely find itself slipping into an oligarchical mafia state.
**The Empire** is similar to the CIS, in that it wants a more uniform system. However, seeing as how the earth isn't as homogenous and unified as an Alderaan may be, the Empire would absorb much of Earth's infrastructure, resources, manpower, industries into its own system to ensure Imperial requirements are met. Like the Confederacy, the Senate doesn't wield as much power and is eventually disbanded.
Imperial approved officials rule in place of Earth and take the enforcement of Imperial policies seriously. As such, if a planet has needs or issues it must resolve, they must take it up with their governors. With the Empire's bureaucratic system, however, this process becomes difficult to navigate. Essentially, the Emperor and the Empire's interests come first before the planet's interests.
Without a strong and competent leader, the heavily centralized Empire would splinter and would leave a non-unified planet like Earth in the dark. In worst case scenarios, the planet will find itself embroiled in civil war.
>Of course, there's no guarantee various members of the Republic won't take advantage of all this and attempt to seize these newfound industries, cultures, political systems for their own agendas.
There would have to be some kinds of protections for newly "uplifted" civilizations' industries to prevent the super rich of the galaxy from just buying out these newly introduced industries to the market as it's fairly reasonable to assume capitalists with access to an entire galaxy would potentially have more wealth than one limited to only a single planet's economy so far.
Ideally, that's certainly the right move.
Of course, in universe, that's why we can say the Republic was corrupt and why members of the CIS rebelled against them. There's no stopping an Earth-like planet from being exploited and joining the CIS if it is being exploited.
And I do wonder how much of these CIS star systems drew lineage from the Sith Empire, considering their elites were willing to work with *multiple* Sith Lords and Darksiders. In another era centuries/millenia before, perhaps these territories used to be among the Sith's vast territories. If so, their post-war integration/'uplifting' into the Republic may have made them ripe for exploitation by Republic entities over the years....eventually leading to the Clone Wars.
Superficially, the geopolitical schisms here would simply be one more repetition of a conflict thousands of years old (a rhyme, as Lucas would say).
Of course, the way the CIS was structured and its favoritism towards mega-corporations (a system that naturally imitates and placates thee former warlord/feudal system of the Sith or the chaotic systems of the Outer Rim) would've also led to corruption, as well.
In this scenario, one can see how the Empire might seem enticing if it promises to reduce these problems.
Interesting scenarios, but these all assume the various powers would have one unitary government on Earth to deal with. It would be interesting to see what, for example, the Republic would do if they chanced upon Earth in a Cold War-type situation with two opposing alliance of nations locked in bitter decades-long struggle, and a third non-aligned group of nations trying to avoid being proxies in that fight.
Would the Republic simply tip toe past us ("not our monkey/circus"), or try to get involved somehow? I suspect the Empire would take sides, or play one against the other. And the CIS might offer aid to the non-aligned worlds, in sympathy for their plight.
Yes, I often do think this scenario could make for a far more interesting sci-fi concept than the trope where aliens visit Earth and secretly plot to destroy or colonize it because they want resources or to cook humans or whatever silly reason we've come up with.
For example, one interstellar civilization could be see the US/EU shares its values and present a tremendous amount of new technology and access to resources. In exchange, it builds a space station nearby so that it can reliably access a region of space that benefits its interests. As this technology spreads across the earth, it begins making, say, the Soviet Union nervous as it can no longer compete with its rival and therefore, begins ceding influence on a massive scale.
This could lead to a conflict due to parity (or at least, the appearance of parity) no longer existing. Nuclear weapons may be used and the Earth may find itself harmed.
On the other hand, if this location is also strategic enough that an interstellar civilization competing with "the aforementioned US/EU interstellar ally" decides to supply the Soviets or PRC or whomever......the Earth could find itself in a catastrophic proxy war when just a few years before, such a conflict was unlikely to occur.
In theory, that is why a Prime Directive exists in Star Trek. And it's possible the Republic would take this stance if it encountered an Earth.
But who is to say a Galactic Empire/CIS/Sith Empire wouldn't want to push its agendas down onto the Earth so that it can bog the Republic down?
Again, it certainly could make for an interesting story.
This was pretty much what I was asking for, yeah. Thanks for putting it more clearly than I did.
I really hope we get to see the senate get disbanded at some point. It’s such an offhand line in ANH because it mostly was just fluff at the time, but it’s such a huge event for the galaxy.
The way I see it, that is THE moment the Rebellion becomes mainstream and not the Death Star being destroyed (though, the latter is just as important for the Rebel's success).
People may not like the Empire but they were willing to tolerate it so long as they had representation and therefore, a chance to determine the future of the Empire. With that written off the table, it'd be natural to rebel.
The Death Star being destroyed was just the lull that the Rebellion needed to cause massive chaos for an Imperial military that was spread far too thin and relied too much on local forces that may or may not be loyal/competent.
Were we to judge this like historians or geopolitical analysts, I think we would conclude that weakening and disbanding the Senate was a massive strategic blunder just like it was for Rome.
There was a really well done writeup that the empires fleet was never sustainable to control the galaxy. They put all their eggs in one basket with the Death Star as a way to control the galaxy, which is why the Emperor waited until it was fully operational to disband the senate.
I do subscribe to that.
Only 25k Imperial Star Destroyers with 8000 troops on each. Divided across 1000 sectors, that's only 25 Imperial Star Destroyers and 200k troops per sector.
Even if we were to be generous and assume there were 50000 more Star Destroyers of different classes, that's still only 75 starships and 600k total troops that can be mobilized across thousands of colonies/space stations and dozens to hundreds of Earth sized planets (much less the Coruscant sized ones) spread across one sector.
With garrisons and smaller starships accompanying these Star Destroyers, maybe you can total it out to a few billion Imperial Stormtroopers per sector.
Should half the sector rebel, that number is not significant enough to occupy these territories, especially considering the reality that a percentage of starships would require maintenance that puts them out of commission.
That's why fear keeping the local systems in line - the Tarkin Doctrine - was pursued. And the Death Star was the ultimate embodiment of this.
For Palpatine, I detect something more nefarious, however. A Sith theocracy would likely not be accepted by the Empire, who recently fought against Dooku and whose ancestors fought against the Sith. Thus, we can infer that the Death Star also serves to subjugate the Empire to his will, as well. Palpatine's ultimate goal must be to gather his most fanatical followers and establish a Sith Empire.
Jabiim was a bit like that. How would they handle it? By the standards of Jabiim; extremely badly.
Back in the really REALLY early EU, Lando met a pilot from a system that had regressed but then built itself back up in a similar fashion. The empire destabalized them before using WMD's to blast them to hell. They were advanced enough to put up a half decent fight against older imperial hardware but only for so long.
We also see in Lost Stars that the empire will make promises to both groups if its profitable, but then renge on deals or frame local officials as they please.
The empire at least has no real respect for local systems and ones not unified enough to fight back will be taken over either via military or economic means within a five to ten years. This is consistent with basically all continuities.
Starfighters of Adumar in Old EU covered such a scenario.
Come together and point the Death Star at it
Oh thank the Force!
Stellaris players nodding in agreement
Death Star drive by you say?
More like a quick scope across the map
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Defeat those rebels because their skills ain't shit
They would bomb such a freakish and unnatural world until it wore a proper Post Apocalypse Hell-scape hat.
The Republic would tell us to fuck off (politely) until we have our shit together. The Empire would assassinate half of our most unstable rulers to instigate, and the CIS would try to give us a common enemy in the Republic. No matter what though, it's not great for us.
Would the Republic really care and ignore us as if they had a Star Trek like Prime Directive? Absolutely not. Have you watched the first 3 episodes of Andor? Were you paying attention to the flashbacks? His home world is basically analogous to the Amazon, where there are tribes still living in the Stone age. The Republic was strip mining the planet. That's not to say that the Republic would treat a world like ours quite as badly, but ignoring us is unlikely. They'd see opportunity in a planet filled with humans to exploit either as workers, soldiers or consumers.
It is often forgotten that Star Wars is a dystopia. Even the Republic is only slightly better than the Empire in that regard. My own belief is that many of the shitty worlds we see in Star Wars were likely planets like ours that were not space faring planets that the Republic or Empire effectively "modernized" after first contact. And the results are not good for the local inhabitants.
However, most of our glimpse into the Star Wars universe is amid war at the end of the Republic era, the height of the Galactic Empire and the effort to establish the New Republic. Perhaps if our planet were discovered during the High Republic era, then the Jedi likely might get involved in the modernization process through the Jedi Service Corps. Although they are a religious organization, they may have the wisdom to respect local culture. Of course, I could be wrong and maybe they too are guilty of screwing up planets.
I still think that the *Republic* would mostly leave us alone, but that's because the Republic is the larger body and, as a body, wouldn't want to associate with our level of internal conflict. Certain members of the Republic would absolutely try to exploit us.
Imps would call for a Base Delta Zero
*For the Empire!*
They wouldn't. They'd bomb it and use a surviving subservient faction to govern and rebuild in the name of their new overlord. And I don't just mean the Empire or CIS. The Republic would bomb us too. [This is what the Republic did to the Mandalorians.](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Excision)
Realistically, a hostile spaceborne power would be a major unifying event among world governments. There are limits of course - powers would be very careful to ensure they didn't end up overexposed or overcommitted compared to their peers - but generally speaking you'd see significant cooperation in the face of threats from space.
Broadly, I don't think the Empire would be especially subtle. They'd demand capitulation, then bombard the UN and the capitals of major powers until capitulation was accepted. Then they'd establish a top-down global command economy which would be terribly corrupt and very exploitative.
The Republic would establish embassies with the major powers and seek technological exchange (they'd be very interested in some of our electronics, and we'd be very interested in certain Star Wars technologies). I don't think they'd put all their eggs in one basket - they'd engage with major powers on roughly equal terms. In time, the question of trade agreements and joining the Republic would come up, but it's difficult to say how that would work because examples of those negotiations are patchy in canon.
The CIS is an interesting one. They're certainly capable of vicious suppression of local cultures, but they probably aren't quite as interested in subjugation as the Empire is. They might seek to cut an advantageous deal and play powers against each other, largely in the context of trade (of information as well as materials). They'd probably be more inclined towards forceful interventions than the Republic would be. But I don't see them, for example, siding with China and engaging in a total war with the US until the latter was subjugated. Preferential treatment of friendly powers would likely be the main tools used.
Wasn't Lothal exactly this? Didn't they not even know about life in the rest of the galaxy?
I’ve actually wondered about this in general (just, not in relation to Star Wars). We always think about an extraterrestrial encounter being this great unifier that makes *all of them* deal with *all of us.* And maybe that would be the case, but that’s not the only possibility. For example, however unlikely, it’s also possible we engage in open trade with them. If that happens, us humans and the lands we occupy have different things to offer, and the aliens probably wouldn’t need all these things. So there very well could be a new class structure based on those who have the ability to trade with the aliens, and those that don’t. Also, the aliens *themselves* may have groups with different needs.
Also, in a more cynical approach, it might be more efficient for the aliens to tell one of our groups “hey, we won’t kill you if you go over to this land and wipe out this *other* group” (possibly a group with something they want). And it’s possible that under the threat of annihilation, that group might be willing to take the chance.
Death Star it
Kinda like Alderaan in The old republic era. One faction allies themselves with one House(country) and the other with the different one while some Houses(countries) do their own thing
I’ve thought about this often as well. On Earth we have hundreds of countries and languages and ideologies and religions.
I guess in the end it’s because it’s easier to make each species mostly homogenous.
If political landscape like this one bothered them) Just invade with all forces, destroy as much military and production infrastructure as possible
It’s an interesting question. I think the best example we have in tv or film adaptations is Mon Cala. Granted with this it is two dueling species (Mon Calamari and Quarren) not one species that can’t get out of each other’s way. In the case of Mon Cala, the separatists gave support to the Quarren, and the republic gave their’s to the Mon Calamari. It sparked a bloody civil war. Onderon could be the same way. There were normal insurgents who wanted the oppression done, but the republic was too nervous to directly intervene so they sent Obi-Wan, Anakin and Ahsoka to train Saw Garrera and his rebels.
Mon Colamari had two species, the Mon Cala that supported the Republic and the Quarren that supported the CIS. There is a Clone Wars arc about the fighting between them.
There us somebody on YT who got deep into that:
I thought it to be thoghtprovocing and
It seems the governments of Star Wars don’t have a non-interference policy. From the Core to Mid-Rim, everything is basically charted and known, and inhabited planets are all spacefaring. Outer Rim, Wild Space and the Unknown Regions had pre-spaceflight planets, such as the natives of Hutta, pre Hutt arrival.
The Chiss had a probe in the region of a pre-spaceflight planet when Zonama Sekot appeared in their system, which triggered a space race, but they jumped away before they could be reached.
Mimban is the only planet I can think of that didn’t have a unified government, and was split between Green/Red Mimbans. In that case, the Empire worked with the Greens, so I’d wager they’d side with whoever was willing to be subservient to the Empire.
The Republic required a unified government for entry if I remember correctly, and civil strife often led to Jedi being dispatched or the planet becoming isolated, Melida/Daan springs to mind.
Exterminatus until it's all one sludge of molten remains
I would imagine in an Earth-like scenario, there may be a single delegation elected by the UN to represent the planet, even if the planet is not itself fully united.
There’s probably a galactic republic law that designated a number of senators (one?) per system or per major planet, rather than individual polities. That avoids Earth getting a lot more votes by having reps from several of its major entities. There could be individual exceptions, though.
But with this kind of policy, you’d likely see a more united front from the planet emerge over time, kinda like the EU, where each nation maintains its own sovereignty but there’s only the single representative or delegation sent to Coruscant. Whether that unity happens peacefully or no, that’s a different story.
Empire is a different story though, it’s about control, not representation. There’s no reason to keep the planet divided unless it is to prevent Earth from gaining an advantage. They’d establish a planetary governor whose job would likely be uniting the disparate factions into at least a single political entity and stamping out resistance to it. The republic might, too, but that depends on what’s going on and whether they’re interested in peacefully integrating new systems.