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Struggling18Year_Old

BITS does not offer a BE in Biotechnology.


Bio_is_sexy

I meant the BE+MSc in Biological Sciences


Struggling18Year_Old

Have you thought about doing another masters after the 5 years at BITS? The second degree of [M.Sc](https://M.Sc) is not fully utilized by the students, they get the job through their BE degree. The faculty is real chill of Biological Sciences department as I have been told, research opportunities aplenty.


Bio_is_sexy

Haven't thought about another master's, though I have definitely heard good things about the Biological Sciences department. What do the students of there work on after their degrees, is it only research or is there some industry-related work as well? (since it's a BE and not a BSc). Also, what are the cut-offs like for that branch in BITSAT? Thanks in advance.


Struggling18Year_Old

Most of the folks go on to get placed in campus placements or off campus if they get a better offer by using their BE. Maybe IT, consulting, finance or core whatever they might be interested in. You get the option of doing a semester long thesis under a professor from BITS or from any other college if you are interested in research instead of a semester long internship to give you an industry experience and maybe a PPO. You can check the cutoffs on [bitsadmission.com](https://bitsadmission.com) or on [collegepravesh.com](https://collegepravesh.com). Generally a bit lower than other duals, even though now the trend is changing and more people are preferring it because it is Lite compared to other duals and hence saves more time for other stuff that they actually wanna do.


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do you have any experience at IISER?


be_snehal

I graduated with a MS in Biology, IISER.


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What are you doing currently?


be_snehal

I'm working as a data scientist for a consulting firm.


strawberrysquid_

As a dropper who was in a similar dilemma last year, the best advice I can give you is to just keep all of your options open and try to do your best in all the exams. But short answer is IISER unless the biotech option is btech from IITs or NITs. I got into Manipal biotech and BITS dual degree for biology, took a drop for IISER. I have to mention that I have no specific interest in biotechnology. I love ecology, physics and math and was/still am hellbent on pursuing research, I was just settling for biotech because I liked bio. So given my pretty all-over-the-place interests, IISER was very obviously the best option for me. Some things I was told about the courses at Manipal and BITS - 2-3 seniors at Manipal pursuing biotech told me that the course was no match for IISER if you're keen on research, but will probably make you more employable. I was generally warned against dual degrees in BITS unless it was math or econ, but was told that biology is pretty good if I was very interested in the subject, though not great for biotechnology specifically (they don't have btech biotechnology btw). And the general sentiment was that if you're very passionate about biotechnology, then IITs and top NITs should be preferred over IISERs.


LightRefrac

The bio faculty at bits pilani campus is excellent ngl, I was pleasantly surprised by how good the professors are and how passionate they are about their field.


strawberrysquid_

Ah yes I should also mention that this was BITS Hyd, though I did hear the same about the professors being great


LightRefrac

The pilani campus has a fledging pharmacy department with a long history, I don't think it can be compared to hyderabad


Bio_is_sexy

Now I definitely can't get into IITs/NITs. I'm not too sure if pursuing research and want to remain on the tech/industrial side of things as well so would BITS be a good option? I've heard good things about it.


strawberrysquid_

BITS definitely sounds like the best option for you, but if you do get into IISER Pune, Kolkata or Mohali, I would encourage you to consider them over BITS Hyd. As for back-up options, Manipal=VIT.


Bio_is_sexy

Yes thank you. See, the thing I've been blindly preparing for neet for the past 2 years so my pcb is fine but my maths is not enough for jee. I got a decent score in the Manipal entrance test and it's more than enough for biotech. I'm giving the VIT entrance as well but I feel manipal>VIT. So what you're saying is BITS Pilani>Top 3 iisers>BITS Hyd, goa>Manipal, VIT? What if I go to manipal and do my master's abroad (that's what I would do), would that be better than BS-MS in an iiser? I've heard of manipal biotech students going to Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon for MS.


strawberrysquid_

I think that's a reasonable order of preference, I would say Manipal > VIT used to be very obvious but VIT's placements have gotten better in recent years. There are some old posts comparing biotech at the two, those might give you a better idea. I simply did not consider VIT because of the rules, so idk much about the their course. Tbf getting into institutes like CMU isn't easy anywhere, may that be IISER or Manipal, though possible at both with hard work. But there's a good chance that you have to be a truly exceptional student to get there from Manipal. I know a senior at Manipal pursuing biotech, a mutual friend, she is very passionate about biotech and satisfied with her course, but explicitly mentioned that the course materials is often outdated in comparison to what is taught at IISERs. You can make very good use of your opportunities at Manipal as well, but not worth picking over BSMS at IISERs. And I have close friends in both IISER Pune and Manipal, so this is not from hearsay about Manipal being chill - IISER hosts a more academically driven student body and you will have a better peer group, there's no way to sugarcoat that.


Bio_is_sexy

Yes, I agree that getting a good IISER would be better than Manipal. But here's the thing, I'm not 100% sure about pursuing research only. If I take a BTech I feel I would have more options and can even get into the industry side of things? Now that I'm feeling this way, I think BITS would be my best option (which is what you told me in your first comment lol). If I somehow get IISER Pune, Mohali, or Kolkata I may have to think more about what I really want. Manipal will always be there as backup, I don't care about the placements, it's just that most people there pursue higher studies abroad and it feels freer than VIT. Do IISER grads get many opportunities in the tech/industry sector as well? I know most go on to do a Ph.D.


strawberrysquid_

I understand the apprehension about IISERs, opportunities in the industry sector aren't abundant so yes, in that way Manipal can be better since Btech + MSc abroad could be more valuable if you don't want to get a PhD. There are some people who pursue a second Master's abroad after BSMS, this brings them closer to industry side of things depending on the course they pick. Getting good colleges abroad isn't very hard in this case but this is definitely not ideal, just something to consider. Focus on BITSAT for now and work on math, dual degree bio has the lowest cutoffs after chemical afaik. IAT will be a easy if you're good at PCB and have some familiarity with JEE math


Bio_is_sexy

I understand. I'll write the IAT but won't think about taking an IISER unless it's one of the older ones. I'll focus on BITSAT after my boards (they're going on now) and if I don't get in I can take Manipal. Btw do you know anyone in BITS doing the dual degree bio by any chance?


strawberrysquid_

Not really, only a few distant mutuals who settled for it for the BITS tag. Everything I know about the course is from friends in BE courses like ECE or non-bio dual degrees because they have other friends doing the dual degree bio


be_snehal

You are actually correct with your analysis. If you are sure about doing research, then there is no better place than IISER. If you are goal driven(which seems to be the case) you'll end up getting really good internships, because all good students seem to go abroad for their third year internship, and masters thesis- all of this is funded. And since they have exposure of working in different countries, they end up making good connections in those universities as well, which enormously helps them in getting a PhD there. It's all quite a layed out track at IISER if you want to do research!


Bio_is_sexy

I'm not too sure if pursuing research and want to remain on the tech/industrial side of things as well, that's why I'm keeping Btech as an option. I'll definitely write all the tests and think once I have more options. Till now only the Manipal entrance exam is over and I'll definitely get in for biotech.


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LoneWarriorSeven

Have you checked out IISER Bhopal? iirc they have some BTech courses too (though not in BioTech).


Bio_is_sexy

Yes they don't have biotech.


i_m_freaky_

So bs + ms from iiser and then go abroad for phd you can get 100 percent scholarship and you'll even get stipend every month so no need of doing part time job. And after the phd you can become scientist countries like America spend a lot of money on research and development and they are in need to scientists so W for you


mrnerdy59

I'd suggest you to explore even doing your Bachelor's abroad while you can.


Suspicious-Lychee843

First clear that exam then ask