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TrayOfReg

Why even obey the law at that point tbh


NoHypeX

I got fined 400 dollars for owning an airsoft once because i was 4 months younger than 18. You need to be 18 to own fucking airsoft I don't wanna be fined again.


StuffProfessional587

Order your scooter from Norway, costs just a bit more, and the shipping will be quick enough. Why buy from China.


EwanA1

In the Netherlands they are banned completely. You can smoke weed but you can’t drive an e-scooter. I own one anyway but it is not nice knowing it can get taken away from me at any moment. The infrastructure here is good for e-scooter though so I can’t complain about that.


shaggydnb

Also illegal here in the UK however that's going to change later in the year.


Lantea1

Just hope they don't do some regulatory insanity like Germany with 20km/h limit or 250w restriction on motor power (like some others), or the legalization won't mean much.


shaggydnb

Almost certain they will. Your vdm-10 won't ever be legal in the UK I don't think


Lantea1

I am not in the UK so does not affect me. Here e-scooters are classified as bicycles, and last time I checked I could not find a specific reference to a speed limit or motor limit in the legislation, I remember it mentioned you can't have a seat, otherwise its a moped. I have also gone past police several times with no issues. So as long as you are not doing something stupid, like going 30km/h in a pedestrian zone in city centre, you should be fine.


Mormegil81

You just have to dismount and push it every time you see a horse 😂🤣


NannyUsername

>Netherlands What? Are they? Or just that you have to have a license for them? Because, tbh, Netherlands is kinda right for saying that they are motor vehicles. They can cause more damage than a bike.


EwanA1

I don’t think they can cause more damage than a bike because bikes are bigger and heavier and go just as fast.


NannyUsername

I mean, batteries are the problem, since they can explode, are heavy and not amazing for the environment, but I think it's more of the fact that when you're hit by a bike, you're gonna be hit by the tire (or plastic mudguard), not the metal steering handle and often e-scooters will drive faster than a bike tbh. Also, with bikes, they will stop faster when you hit them, while with e-scooters, they might continue to drive because the driver might still have his finger on accelerate button. I'm really disappointed by this law, Netherlands has such an amazing bike infrastructure, that riding a scooter on it would be so fun, compared to my city (at least for now, they are building new cycle lanes soon :) ). I hope that you have some petitions to sign, this law is dumb.


NannyUsername

And I don't think bikes are heavier than an electric scooter, they are 10 kg on average and tbh since they are bigger, a lot of mass is shared throughout.


Lantea1

My mountain bike is definitely heavier than my Ninebot Max scooter, and I am sure you would rather be hit by the Max than my bike at the same speed. :D


Lantea1

> They can cause more damage than a bike. No they can't if they are going the same speed as a bike. If you hit someone at 15km/h on a bike or a scooter the result is the same. Road cyclists here routinely go 40km/h on bike paths, so I see no point restricting scooter riders to 25km/h on those same paths.


schwarzzu

Such stupid limitations, in Estonia - 1kW limit (nobody checks or cares, stores still sell 5kW+ ones), 25kph limit, nobody really cares as long as you don't speed in areas with pedestrians and ride responsibly. Bought my gen 2 max from a local store. What is going on with those limitations in other countries? People get them to avoid using cars, but with too many regulations, using a car seems like less of a hassle.


JohnEdwa

Most places already have limitations and requirements for ebikes and mopeds, and escooters are seen as being something that fits between them. In Finland, the limits for a mopeds are 4kW, 45km/h, minimum 15yrs old, proper helmet, moped license and insurance, and it has actually to fit the structural etc requirements set for mopeds. So the question is should escooters require the same things mopeds do, or should we strip all the requirements way from mopeds? And as the answer to both is "No", the compromise is to restrict escooters lower - 1kw & 25km/h, but also no other requirements. If you want more, it is technically possible to register an escooter as moped, but that requires a Certification of Conformity from the manufacturer proving it's built safe enough to do so - as almost none are, very few have that. Though I'm fairly sure that's going to improve in the near future.


_Greyworm

That is probably the idea, the only reason we still use gas cars en masse is extreme lobbying and corporate sabotaging from petrule/car makers. Wouldn't be shocked if a few greasy politicians tried to ban eco friendly rides, in a way that it's not all technically illegal, just useless after limitations enough to not bother using


Lantea1

> Honestly Europe needs to get it's shit together specially sweden. 20 kph and 250w power limit when bikes can literally go 30 kph what? Completely agree with this part, its utter nonsense limiting electric scooters like this, while at the same time you hear all the politicians saying how they want to support the green economy and sustainable transport, etc. and they are in effect banning the best alternative to cars for city transport. Road cyclist here routinely go 40km/h+ on bike paths! I clocked one overtaking me at 43km/h just the other day. So if they are not speed restricted I don't see any reason why I should be on my electric scooter. The key should be to ride responsibly and not endanger other road users. Plus restricting scooters to 20km/h or 25km/h makes them a lot more dangerous because you can't keep up with other bike lane users and on busy bike paths you are in effect blocking traffic. For EU countries that restrict the motor power to 250w or similar I am surprised nobody has taken them to court to challenge these laws under the strong anti-discrimination legislation EU has, as that directly discriminates against all heavier riders that as a result can't use scooters at all because 250w won't even move them, not to mention get them up hills.


kingqk

I started to use rental scooters throughout the pandemic. With the 20km/h limit I had an aggressive driving style, full throttle everywhere. Now that I’ve have my own scooter that drives +50km/h, I’ve completely changed my driving style. I have the speed resources at hand when I need them. So I’d say my driving is more passive than before, which makes me a better driver.


Ult1mateN00B

Gen2 is available just fine in Finland from verkkokauppa. Maybe visit?


JohnEdwa

>because GEN 2 MOTORS ARE BANNED IN EUROPE. YES YOU HEARD THAT RIGHT BANNED. Each country has the ability to set their laws as they see fit, so blame your own country for what they have decided. FWIW, the gen 2 motor is perfectly legal in Finland, as the power limit here is 1000W nominal (i.e what it is advertised/rated, peak power is a grey area and usually way higher).


Kilmouski

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B07YD2P5MW Do they ship to Sweden?


NoHypeX

they do but its 53 euros delivery. might as well buy one here. also it's Amazon i doubt they will break the law and sell a gen 2 motor.


larsb0t

>20 kph and 250w power limit when bikes can literally go 30 kph what? Or a moped class II that can go 25kph and have 1000w power limit. Why can't I have my e-scooter registered as a moped?


NoHypeX

LITERALLY DUDE


Lantea1

Can't you? These guys seem to have figured in out for the UK https://youtu.be/-eNZWg5l3-M


ResonantTaker

I live in Sweden and Ordered my Max Gen2 from DHgate for around 590 Euro. Seller was Sumtop2019eur. I put in an order and a week later it arrived outside my door without any hassle. But i agree that the 250W motor law is a joke, i've seen cyclists go 35-40km on the sidewalk without motors.


F488P

“Fuck Europe” lol!


NoHypeX

Had to end it properly


SixfeetUnderrrrrr

You'd better act fast if you don't want to lose another offer. I mean the kugoo m4 pro for €600.


kingqk

Local store https://www.wattsnabb.se/products/uppgraderingar/ninebot-g30-gen-2-motor


leebe_friik

Max is [€730 from Estonia from a reputable shop](https://voltride.com/electric-kickscooter-segway-ninebot-max-g30/) with ~20€ shipping to Sweden. I would think it's the unlocked international version, but you can ask them to be sure.


scooterca85

One of the reasons I enjoy the freedoms of the US and most of its states!


NoHypeX

yeah that's actually the first time the US has advantage. Yes we have shit ton of free stuff but 0 freedom man. Europe is a cage with a bunch of tricks


_Greyworm

Loooool


findsomeshit

You can buy new gen2 motor for about 180 Eur, swap it with your scooter and sell gen1 for a discounted price.


NoHypeX

I doubt anyone would buy the gen 1 motor here.


EnigmaShroud

Hey, I bought a Scooter when I lived in Sweden. It was super easy. Not sure what youre talking about. Why did you buy it online? What city are you in? There are tons of places where you can walk into the store and just buy it. They will service it for you also...


NoHypeX

I'm in Södermanland, it's not free going to Stockholm back and forth to buy a scooter. Shipping costs less than actually going there.