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breathex2

This is the 3rd year out of 5 where I have to see the excuse "Jimmy's coming an *insert injury here* we have to give him time" to explain Jimmy's bad play.


bpcgreen75

A shoulder surgery to his throwing arm is not a small injury, fact. That, plus everytging else I listed (all facts) are legit reasons for a lack luster performance from ANY QB. My point, we expected too much out of ol jimmy sunday. He'll play better on Monday...hopefully our O line also plays better. That said, I am still hopeful that Trey is indeed our guy moving forward...it will just take a while and I want a god damn SB dman it! Its been 27 years!!!


swiftycent

Don't think its fair to say we expected too much. He delivered some of the passes we needed him to hit in Week 2. He should have been able to hit them in Week 3. No reason to become less prepared as time goes on. If Jimmy was as accountable as Trey was week 1 he'd say it was an inexcusable performance and move on and do better. No point in trying to excuse away anything, there's no other option. Own it and do better.


Tylersaurus123

Don’t know why you’re being downvoted because it makes sense. Sure it’s not ideal but it’s logical and valid


MeanReplacement9258

No, no it’s not. A shoulder injury doesn’t excuse the dumb decisions. Running out the end zone, throwing into triple coverage, not stepping up in the pocket aren’t excusable because of his shoulder. It’s year 9, and he still can’t identify the robber coverage. Jimmy is Jimmy. Sundays performance shouldn’t have surprised any niner fans who’ve been watching him for 5 years now


bpcgreen75

Yeah, well, most people here think in absutes. Its all or nothing with Jimmy, Kyle, Trey, John Lynch, etc. So if Jimmy loses it's all his fault, he's trash, get rid of him. They fail to look at simple objective facts, analytics, and context. Because when you do, you see that Jimmy is not that bad at all. Not saying "he's our guy for the future", but he's not that bad. And if you say anything in Jimmy's behalf, you are deemed a blasphemor and a jimmy apologists and all logicap and intelligent discussion goes out the window I love the Niners man, always have. It's been 27 years since we've won a SB...I don't care if it's Jimmy, Trey or Brock frikin' Purdy, I just want another trophy!


Imakemuchsexonyou

Thing is jimmy has lots of games like that when he wasn't in this situation, have you not watched him in the playoffs? It's almost every game like that. It's the same playbook with much of the same teammates. There is no reason to make excuses because that's who Jimmy has been.


Pei_area

Playbook looked stale tbh. Jimmy was hot garbage and he showed exactly why we’ve wanted him gone for two years. But why they so unprepared after the first drive? Kyles in game adjustments gotta be better


Imakemuchsexonyou

I agree, I've really started to sour on Kyle. Kyle has a amazing offensive mind but he plays it too safe too often and teams can handle safe Shanny much easier than aggressive creative shanny


Pei_area

Our skill guys are up there with anyones . 10 points per game not gonna do it KYLE


Imakemuchsexonyou

Exactly. With our guys if you need a Allen or Rodgers are you really a genius? Our offense should be better than it is. I'm not just talking this year but in the playoffs too.


bpcgreen75

I was AT most of those playoff games and was absolutely frustrated with how he played at times...but we also won most of those playoff games so that made me feel not as bad. I know he isn't a very good QB, that is not my point, I am saying there are legitimate reasons for how bad he played this past game as it was really bad, even for Jimmy's standards, and we are a long time from seeing Trey get to his full potential. Hopefully it's in 2024, which seams a very long time away. I want a SB damn it!


Imakemuchsexonyou

Lol I definitely want a SB too. I understand what you're saying but my point is if Jimmy rarely played like that I'd buy in a bit but Jimmy plays like this fairly often when there are no reasons for it besides lack of talent so it's hard for me to give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt.


New2theworld

Agreed, he's consistently poor at QB and the excuses mention above doesn't validate why he's a poor QB. That just solidify the reason why he's a poor QB because he's didn't even improve this year even when he fix his shoulder problem. He said his shoulder feel like he's his old self again, which is exactly who he is... a poor qb that has some good game.


pineappleshnapps

I’d disagree with that, he’s been to the playoffs twice, once was with a bad thumb and throwing shoulder, and the other time we went to the Super Bowl off the strength of some insane running from mostert. He was unstoppable in Green Bay, and everyone still acts like jimmy should’ve had more impressive numbers.


Imakemuchsexonyou

Yeah yeah I know, I've heard it before


Imakemuchsexonyou

Stafford last year including the playoffs and this year Is deal8ng with a injury more severe that any of Jimmy's injuries un the playoffs and played better than Jimmy ever has in the playoffs. How many players are 100% come playoff time? See these flimsy arguments is one of the things that gets Jimmy haters going, Jimmy is never at fault, always someone else's fault.


Cardinal_Ravenwood

Jimmy has been in the league for 8 years, and with us for 5, and he should already know Shannys playbook and he should know how to pass to open recievers. He isn't some rookie that we should be giving growing pain passes to. His job this season was to be the backup QB. The only thing a backup QB needs to do is to be ready to go in at any point and play. He didn't do his job on Sunday night, there isn't an excuse for that performance. Onto the Rams.


cheerioo

Jimmy is Jimmy. That's how I see it.


bpcgreen75

Fair point, but he wasn't even a back up until a week before week 1, and the playbook does change, and getting in game shape takes a while. Also, i don't consider these excuses, but rather, reasons, as all these statements are objective facts that would contribute to any players lack of performance. Look at Joe Burrow's, Matt Staford's, and Brady's week 1 as a comparison. They didnt plat pre-season and they stunk that first week...Burrow and Stafford kind of stunk week 2 as well.


Bylanta

Afaik Kyle said they scrapped the playbook/gameplan when Trey got hurt. So not knowing the playbook was a non issue as it was blown up anyways.


SoKrat3s

I have also seen someone on here say Kyle said the playbook remained the same. I didn't hear this, so I don't know who to believe now.


Bylanta

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/159736-shanahan-49ers-playbook-changing-lance-jauan-jennings-tough/ Link has Kyle saying the playbook is essentially the same as last year. So Jimmy was indoctrinated in it already


george_costanza1234

These are excuses bro. He didn’t look confused out there, he looked inaccurate and scared.


SoKrat3s

his play can be inexcusable but still have reasonable *explanations* behind it. We should hope that these potential explanations are accurate and that he will return to being the Garoppolo we saw in weeks 7-14 last year.


bpcgreen75

Yes...he was inaccurate and scared and hesitant and slow, all more than usual jimmy because he wasn't prepared because of the reasons i stated.


Mers1nary

Id be scared too if my OLine cant hold up on 80% of pass plays...


DSouT

The playbook changed into stuff he can’t run. So the playbook stayed the same for him.


ezioauditore00789

Jimmy did the same mistake against Denver like he did against Rams in NFCCG, I’m a Jimmy defender but he needs to anticipate that teams forcing him to throw outside and should be ready for it


amd77767

Every high school JV QB knows not to run out of the back of the endzone. There's no excuse for that level of stupidity. Pick any QB who's retired within the past 5 years and put them in the starting lineup with 0 preparation. None of them would step out of the back of the endzone.


guerito_guerita

He knew he was throwing a pick 6, that’s why he stepped out was to avoid that. /s


rxdukexr

Well that mistake ended up costing the team 2 points instead of 6. Still a bad mistake.


New2theworld

Sadly they only need 2 point to beat and 1 point to tie, JG helped them get that W.


Hrdlman

That was on Kyle not jimmy. You don’t call a bootleg on with a blind turn around on the two with our o line playing how it was. Watch jonny del’s new video to see what I mean


amd77767

Shanahan didn’t expect Jimmy to backpedal 3 yards out of the end zone. As a coach, you can’t call plays afraid that your QB might make high school level mistakes. That’s 100% on Jimmy.


Hrdlman

No it’s not Lmao. It’s a bootleg with a blind turn around. On top of that homie had people in his face the moment he turned around. This is on jimmy the O line and Kyle


amd77767

Go rewatch the play and pause it when Jimmy turns his head around. He has 5 yards of space between him and the back line and no Broncos defender is within 5 yards of him. He then backpedals out of the endzone. Nobody was "in his face" when he turned around and he had plenty of time to throw the ball away. It's classic example of Jimmy panicking and making bad decisions under pressure. We've seen it a million times over the past 6 years. This play is 100% on Jimmy.


Hrdlman

Kyle literally took blame for this exact play after the game. And no when he turned around homie had people in his face due to a bad o line. More importantly that is never the play call on the 2 yard line for this exact reason


amd77767

>Kyle literally took blame after the game Irrelevant. Shanahan is the head coach. He’s saying what head coaches are supposed to say after a tough loss.


olms1988

What explains last year? And the year before that... we have a top 5 defense with the YAC clan and a hit or miss run game when there not injured.. jimmy is better then other qbs we had but his records are carried by the defense. Hes good on a couple drives and the rest of the game we got there hoping he doesnt do his wtf Jimmy g moments. Trey lance.. Shanahan traded 3 1st round picks to get him. 3. Because Jimmy g is not the answer. He was better then mullens and befeard.. but they are only backups who probably wont last much longer in the league. We need someone that can do a quick pass the jimmy g is good at, but that is all hes good at. Except maybe be well liked in locker room. We need someone who can do the quick pass that can so do a bomb throw down field. Plus someone that can exit run when needed. Trey lance was suppose to be this. He may still be this.but for god sakes Shanahan do like 5-10 rpos a game. Not 25. Force the boy to throw and learn. Every other coach does that with a qb. He may become the next hurts. The eagles thought let that man throw even if it wasn't pretty. Show the pass and running lanes would open up more. It was only 3 games though, and one was a literal monsoon. I have no understanding why there was all the hate for lance in the media and people. I have no idea how he'll be, either does anyone else. But we've had jimmy g.. hes not what won us things. It was pur all star defense which now hows corners!!! Bronocos have a top defense also, so let's hope jimmy g comes back and has a good outing. He needs to be a game manager and hit his mark on open passes and read the field better. They can do this. Let's just hope this prime time game is better then the last one. I dont want to wake up the next day tired and angry cause of a late game.. I'm good with just the tired part. Let's go 9ers!!


thekillerofnugs

AMEN!


Poignant_Rambling

5) He’s Jimmy G


phoenixremix

If he plays like this post like week 5-6, we're beyond fucked. That is all.


bpcgreen75

Agreed


_No_1_Ever_

I don’t think anyone on the team had the playbook until it was time to prep for week 1 against the Bears.


voldemortscore

Lmao, this would be valid if we'd never seen him play before. He was the exact same guy he has always been.


bpcgreen75

Yes, he is not a great QB. I agree. He is inconsistent, slow, weak armed and frantic when pressured. However, the facts I listed are all legitimate factors that contribute to a poor performance...for any QB. His misread on that play to Ayuk when Deebo was wide open for a sure-fired TD is a good example. I think a more game-ready Jimmy would have seen that and we would have won the game.


voldemortscore

But again, that's a weird take considering we've seen him miss and make poor throws to wide open receivers at least once a game in years past as well.


theninetynine99

GTFO you're delusional. This not a departure from the norm, this IS the norm. Stop apologizing for him. He's a veteran who reached his peak and has been on the decline ever since defenses realized what his SIGNIFICANT limitations are and game plan around them.


bpcgreen75

You clearly did not read the original comment oment or any of the following comments. At no time am I apologizing or even trying to make an argument for Jimmy being good. I KNOW he's not. I also don't think he is as bad as many folks in this forum say he is. I think he is a top 20 QB in the league with SIGNIFICANT limitations (as you said) but that has his moments and has helped get us pretty damn close to a SB. That said, hopefully Trey is our guy...hopefully!


theninetynine99

Saying there are logical reasons is offering excuses/apologies. I read it.


theninetynine99

>helped get us pretty damn close to a SB Until he threw an interception in the end zone in classic Jimmy G fashion.


by_yes_i_mean_no

My thoughts are that I agree with all of this, but there were some people who were extremely unfair to Lance in service of the Garoppolo agenda and so there is a sizable contingent of fans who are not interested in giving Garoppolo the context that Lance was denied. Tough for both guys that the Niners put them in this position where their success is tied to the other player's failure, but they are both caught in the crossfire. For those who said there were no downsides to keeping Garoppolo, the added pressure and scrutiny is the downside. I do expect Garoppolo to be better going forward though.


New2theworld

100% on the agenda. Some people even say the oline suck, but Trey had the same oline for the 1st game and he was getting scrutinize even in the monsoon weather where JG probably wouldn't fair any better. I still think Kyle's is too smart for his own good because some of the play calling is a head scratcher that doesn't do both JG and Trey their due or give them the opportunity to succeed early. Jim Harbaugh played to Alex strength and look how he took off after being a dud with all the OC he had.


swiftycent

I'm trying not to bring this up in every discussion I have about JG. There's a whole slew of posts making excuse after excuse meanwhile when Trey didn't get it done in a horrible weather (though he played well enough to win IMO) AND he owned it, he still got shit on and people were begging for Jimmy. Well, one way or another here we are and lo and behold the supposed savior played as bad if not worse than Trey and people have excuses after excuse.


SRG_0203

He made the same mistakes that he always makes. Does more practice teach him to not throw into triple coverage or how deep the end-zone is?


BigZoowop

Lol just stop with the excuses…it’s sad we need to try and make excuses for a player who’s in his 5 full season with the team. What a joke Jimmy is


JamesCaulder

In Jimmy’s defense, Shanahan has to pound the ball over and over again to make Jimmy effective. And not just with Deebo either. They drafted TDP for a reason. And we know what Juice and Wilson can do. Kittle and Dwelly are great blockers and this O-line is playing well despite their youth. Play to Jimmy’s strengths, get under center for more play action like they did in 2019.


bpcgreen75

Yes!, or like many games last year for example our 3 wins vs the Rams last season where Shanny dropped Jimmy back on shotgun 90% of the time to allow for quick release plays. It wasnt until the NFCCG where the rams caught on and put more pressure.


Giantranger49

he played like hes always played


KurtGoKrazy

He's been on this team since 2017, the playbook hasn't changed. Has everyone forgotten he played almost the entire game last week? I didn't hear about not knowing playbook or not having enough reps then, he had an extra week to prep and then played worse. There's no excuse. The issues on display were not exclusive to last night. Inaccurate throws, missed reads, bad decisions, repeated mental errors all have been present since he became starter in 2018. He doesn't get the benefit of the doubt on this one.


MeanReplacement9258

He quoted it was like riding a bike! I don’t want to hear these lame ass excuses about not being in the rhythm with the receivers you’ve been playing with for 3-4 years now


bpcgreen75

Although it IS clear teams have learned to play against Shanny's schemes better over the years, indicating that there is definitely some redundancy, the playbook is ever evolving. I would lump week 2 with sunday inbthat both were poor jimmy outings, based on the facts I mentioned. The major difference is that this sunday was an abismal performance accross the offense, including Shanny, who has said so himself.


KurtGoKrazy

Is the playbook ever evolving sure but he's not scrapping his entire playbook every year and starting from scratch. 90% of that playbook is the same as it's always been. I'm not defending Kyle but the rest of the offense showed up that game. Receivers got open, the line blocked, RBs moved the ball on the ground, Kyle despite his poor decisions still called a good enough game to win. The common denominator in this is Jimmy simply could not execute.


dobayley1

We all want him to play well. If he was unfit to start/play then that’s on the brain trust. He was way off physically and mentally. If he doesn’t turn it around quickly the Niners are in deep shit


bpcgreen75

Not sure we all here want him to play well. Remember what Alfred said to Barman regarding the Joker in the Dark Night, "some men only want to watch the world burn". I think some folks here would rather see him fail simply becasue they cant separate their feelings from facts. From one simple fact in pertiuclar, we, the Niners, since 2017 have been a much more successful team with Jimmy playing than without him playing. Fact. Also, the Brain Trust (aka, Shanny and John) were all but done with Jimmy until about two weeks prior to the season opener. If it wasn't for his shoulder surgery he would have been gone to Washington, according to many publications. Jimmy, in my opinion, was put in a difficult situation. Not wanted, but at the last minute taken back on a discount then without much preparation, thrown into the game week 2! If this had happened week 6 or so, i would be way more pissed at jimmy, but week 2, now 3, with only a few qeeks of actual prep, one week with the first squad...no way. Give the guy a break.


Plus_Share_6631

Fact, Jimmy should have had shoulder surgery sooner. Only waited from advise of agent.


bpcgreen75

Didn't know that. Interesting


Mediocre-Piglet-5976

Jimmy g is gonna get pummeled behind this line. Lets be glad for what we get out of him folks


bpcgreen75

We beat the Rams last year without Trent...hopefully we can do it again...and they dont have Vauhn.


alittleakamai

It did seem as if the play calling was rather stagnant and predictable, so it can be difficult to make a play when your opponent already knows what's coming


bpcgreen75

Shanny and Jimmy need more time to get in sync again for sure. Shanny was off a bit in his olay calling, but also called a few good plays that if Jimmy and Jennings had better executed on, would have made the difference in the game.


alittleakamai

True. I think I saw maybe 2 or 3 plays that Jimmy either did not execute or simply missed the read that really would have either opened up the game or would've changed the outcome completely


N7_MintberryCrunch

Jimmy is always coming off an injury


Regulus3333

Lucky we have jimmy, keeping the faith


bpcgreen75

Totally!


Finetimetoleaveme

Not defending Jimmy, but these are all accurate facts. And even the good ones need practice. Jimmy will get back to his mediocre self soon, and Shanahan Will schemes us to some wins! Let’s go eat some lamb chops this week boyzz and girlz!


bpcgreen75

Well said! And yes, he is mediocre.


Finetimetoleaveme

He played horribly on Sunday night, so mediocre should be a significant improvement! 🙏🏻


TangPiccilo

Is Mediocre too much to ask?


New2theworld

There actually no logical reason at all. All the things you mention is an excuses not a reason because hes a 8-9 year vet that make same rookie mistake over and over. Not counting that he's limited on his accuracy beyond the stick. This is Jimmy ceiling at his worst and game 3 showcase that. JG at his best would be like game 2 when he came in to replace Trey for the injury. The sad part is that he isn't consistently good like the Seahawks game but float beneath that threshold and tend to dip just above his ugly game like the Brancos.


bpcgreen75

Brady and Stafford, both seasoned vets played like shit their first game, in part, due to family strife for Brady and injuries for Stafford that kept them out of pre-season...which REALLY matters. Look, Jimmy isn't our guy, I know, but he is our guy for now and he could get us a SB win, given the right circumstances. He was sooo close against Mahomes! Half a quarter away! Would we be having this discussion if we had won that game?


New2theworld

What does Brady or Stafford got anything to do with JG. Just because they play bad due to their personal life has nothing to do with JG. Every single week there are going to be QBs that play bad game even the elite to great QBs. That doesn't justify JG from this game when he came out bloating that Kyle hold him back and not unleashing his true ability. He was the one saying he feels great but came out showing us the opposite. Stop your lame excuses on why he sucked. He does this pretty often enough for the 49ers to use 3 1st rounder on a raw kid. That's how bad it is. If he was consistent like Stafford or Cousins, he would be ready to sign a new contract with the 49ers being the top 3 paid QB in the league.


bpcgreen75

Brady, stafford, Russ, all missed preseason thus played bad week 1. That was the point of the comparison. Not why they missed preaseason. I dont agree with these being lame excuses, but rather logical reasons why anyone would not be game ready. A lame excuse to me would be if it was week 6 and this happened, altgough there is no objective threshold really. I get it man, you're pissed. Trust me, i am too...i was at the damn game. It sucked, he sucked, Kyle sucked (he admitted it himself)...we'll play better next week, and the week after and we will make it to the playoffs. And hopefully Trey is indeed our guy and takes us to the next level. I really hope so.


karavasis

Lol given the right circumstances, like Allen goin down in the first qrt?!


SoKrat3s

Jimmy's play in that game can be **inexcusable** while also having plausible *explanations* behind it. Timing with your teammates is actually a huge factor in NFL football. That isn't something that gets into rhythm in just a couple days. Even Payton Manning said this was a major thing for him. >This is Jimmy ceiling at his worst and game 3 showcase that. JG at his best would be like This is Jimmy's worst game at executing plays, be it injury or weather or neither. This is his absolute floor. From weeks 7-14 (8 games) last year he was: 28.5 Att/Gm, 69%, 258 Yd/Gm, 9.0 YPA, 12 TD, 4 INT, 107 Passer Rating He is capable of much more than what he did in week 2, And despite one or two good throws he wasn't as good as some made it. He started out the game 4/4, 100%, 70 Yds, 17.5 YPA, TD [his first play + first full drive] after adrenaline wore off; 9/17, 53%, 84 Yds, 4.9 YPA The argument can even be made that he only played well vs Seattle with the adrenaline and after that was very rusty as well.


New2theworld

True, everything tend to have an explanations or an agenda. There are collective things that affect thing to cause an effect on JG. He's mediocre at best. Grade above backup but a grade below starter material. There is a reason why most people used the term Jimmy G going to Jimmy G. Meaning he make bone headed plays, overthrow open receivers, miss an open receiver and go for a check down, doesn't throw away a bad play, try to hard during pressure that lead to int, forcing the ball to the middle, plenty of hospital balls, limited beyond the stick, inaccurate beyond a certain yard or section of the field, and he's just not consistent enough on the good side often enough.


swiftycent

That's gotten lost in how bad he played in week 3. Week 2 2nd half wasn't so great either.


que_pedo_

Let's move on to the Rams


karavasis

I hope JG will be able to move after the Lambs


MyDogWatchesMePoop

I'd almost welcome Brock Purdy time.


Remote_Country_889

Bruh he’s had the playbook before and been in the same System for 5 years. He’s not gonna suddenly turn in to Tom Brady. He came in the Seahawks game and said it was like “riding a bike” but now he rusty?? Fuck outta here lmao. This is exactly who Jimmy is, a garbage QB who never takes accountability for his mistakes. Does he need a special playbook and reps to know he can’t step out of the fucking end zone??? The fact that I have to watch this idiot play QB again this year when I thought I never had to see him again makes me depressed


Opzoneworld

Excuses. Take personal responsibility. A backup is ready at all times. Its simple. He is terrible.


ARM_vs_CORE

I tried this totally logical tactic Sunday night. It did not go well. Jimmy was bad, Kyle's playcalling has been bad, and Jimmy look unprepared. I think it's perfectly fine to blame all three rather than lumping it all on Jimmy. But you and I are in the minority


Sremmos80

You mean the play calls that have guys open that aren't being thrown too? Unless you just mean situational playcalling like going for it on 4th or the PA in the endzone


Chaoticsinner2294

If you watch the tape you'll see that we failed at every level. When the line held up the receivers weren't open or Jimmy made a bad pass/decision. When the receivers were open the line didn't hold up or Jimmy made a bad pass/decision. It was an offensive effort by the entire offense.


Sremmos80

Fine, but that isn't playcalling.


Hrdlman

Watch jonny del’s new video. It was bad at every level of offense not just the QB


Sremmos80

Ya there was a poor execution and couple plays Kyle admitted that weren't good. Not calling a perfect game isn't having bad playcalling.


Chaoticsinner2294

Play action on the 1 is pretty terrible play calling.


Sremmos80

That is a bad play call. Not bad play calling.


swiftycent

There were a number of bad plays called, especially that one. But there were also essentially game winning plays called that Jimmy missed. In football you can rarely say 100% one thing is at fault but Jimmy has the biggest slice of the pie to me and its not particularly close.


Chaoticsinner2294

Yeah not disagreeing.


ARM_vs_CORE

I'm saying playcalling has been problematic going back to the middle of last season, regardless of who is under center. If we do move the ball efficiently, it's only for one half of each game. I can't remember the last complete offensive performance we had.


Sremmos80

What about the playcalling \*exactly\* has been problematic?


ARM_vs_CORE

Uh, I just told you. No matter who is under center, we struggle to move the ball fluidly and seem to have had that problem since Tennessee last year. We used to be able to at least move the ball no matter who has been under center. Hoyer, CJ, Mullens, and Jimmy, we could at least sustain drives. Since around the Titans game, and maybe longer, we seem to only be able to consistent move the chains for half of each game. Kyle has begun calling a much more conservative game, no matter who is under center. For evidence, just look at the evolution of Kittle's usage. He used to maraud all over the field and now seems to be used 75% of the time or more as a blocker. Edit: and again, why do people seem to get so offended by me saying there are multiple problems that extend beyond who is under center, although he was the biggest problem of the night on Sunday?


Sremmos80

Because you aren't saying anything be generalities and "it seems like". ​ IF you say the playcalls are bad you should be able to say what is bad about playcalls. Just saying they aren't working when you are playing against a pro defense isn't saying anything.


ARM_vs_CORE

Okay thank you for teaching me how to be a real fan


Sremmos80

I am not saying how to be a real fan or not. Just saying that asserting 'bad play calling' without being able to back it up with anything but generalities makes a poor argument.


ARM_vs_CORE

I'm saying the degradation in the offenses ability to move the ball, regardless of who is under center, has been notable to anyone who watches week in week out. So defenses have figured us out or scheming has regressed. Those are both on Shanahan to figure out. Instead of looking for specific plays, just use your eyes and watch us every Sunday since the beginning of last season.


Sremmos80

Again you are saying things like scheming has regressed.Scheming is something Kyle does, are you saying he has regressed in being able to develop his scheme? Because a statement like that would need specifics. Eyes can deceive you if you don't know what you are looking for. Which is why people look at the tape so they can breakdown a play. And if you are looking at tape then you can be specific. Because from what I have seen from people breaking down tape is that generally it was a well called game.


ProtoMan79

Jimmy has always been up and down with accuracy but it was way more noticeable on Sunday. Let’s hope rust is the issue and not other things that can’t be easily fixed during the season.


Pei_area

Valid points .


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bpcgreen75

Agree with everything you said except being a vet makes the facts I listed not matter to how he played during his first start. Look at Brady's, Staford's, Russ's first week, all awful. All seasoned vets that didn't play pre-season, Stafford was recovering from injuries, game shape takes more than practice, it takes getting hit, conditioning, feeling pressure, all which preaseason does (to an extent). It matters to vets as well as rookies.


kellybobellyhtown

Agreed, but he made some mistakes that he just shouldn’t have made..even with no practice, training camp, etc. Still got faith they will pull through, though.


pineappleshnapps

I’d say all good points, but I bet this post is going to be a rough one. He also had a rough day with pressure, but the broncos are supposed to still be decent defensively, right?


bpcgreen75

Exactly...Broncos are a solid defensive team. Aiyuk was shut down by Surtain save a couple of catches for example. They knew how to not overplay Deebo and Kittle. Their pass rush is for real. And yes, one of Jimmy's biggest drawbacks in my book is how flustered he gets under preasure. Not sure if he will ever outgrow that. Glad the post brough out some good points amongst the same ol rhetoric.


varnell_hill

No, no, no. Getting zero first team reps the entire offseason only matters when your name isn’t Jimmy Garoppolo. For Jimmy, he should be able to step in with zero reps and execute the offense with zero issues whatsoever. Just like every other quarterback does. Wait…


bpcgreen75

Right!? How dare he!! Seriosuly, if pwoplw would only look at some basic performance stats and even just our wins with and witgout the Jimster...so easy to see that the guy is NOT BAD and its OK to say that while still hoping that Trey will be better! One does not cancel out the other.


trebek321

Jimmy, Lance, Purdy, put Tom Brady back there for all I care and this offense would still stink thanks to the the OL. One of the worst units in the league pre Williams injury and with him out it might be one of the worst we’ve seen in some time. On run plays they’re stuffed at the LOS or pushed into the backfield. On pass downs they’re missing assignments or just missing their blocks outright. Fingers crossed that more playing time helps them raise the floor and I know the broncos DL is full of animals but damn it does not look good for this offense with the current lineup.


New2theworld

Can you show me where our oline is the worst in the league because most data the first 2 weeks shown they are decent to good if not average. Pff grade and ranked each individual starter on oline to be decently high outside the replacement for William injury in game 3.


franforever

every fanbase except for like 2 each year think their o line is dogshit


___elements___

'trust me bro'


trebek321

I just watch the games and LG-RT looked like a bunch of practice squaders out there getting thrown around. Personally I could not care less for PFF’s opinion or their make believe grades. It’s a fun podcast though and their advanced stats are cool to track.


New2theworld

Still waiting for your data, you can keep speaking but where is the data to back it up. Sure pff can't be taken 100% but the statistics is graded the same for all individuals positions. It doesn't have any bias addon like your opinion at least.


trebek321

Keep asking for things that will never come then cuz nobody has data on OL because it’s not a stat tracking position.


New2theworld

Every positions has data and stats just like how DL, RB, QB, etc also have their stats. There plenty of videos of of people that knows the game and the scheme of defense showing the break down of defensive play stating that our oline isn't as bad as you think. If you don't have data or anything to back up your claim of them being bad, why are you arguing? What credentials do your eyes test have?


hamsterfolly

Yeah PFF is always in an alternate reality when it comes to the OL.


trebek321

Not even OL, go look how they graded pat mahomes a 71.5 on a 360 yard, 5 TD, 30/39 performance in week 1. They do good things and push fun debates for which new stats can we use to evaluate players but their actual grades might as well be pulled out of a hat.


bpcgreen75

They will get better. We beat the rams last year without Trent, we can do it again.


SleepIsWonderful

Trey's not ready


ProtoMan79

Sort of a dumb comment with the team knew what they were getting. It really doesn’t matter if he’s “ready”. They traded up so they have work through it by starting him.


bpcgreen75

No...and will not be ready for a while. I mean probably one more FULL season...hopefully


WallstreetRiversYum

Pretty sure it's a snarky comment considering how Jimmy played. Trey couldn't be any worse than that.


SleepIsWonderful

This guy gets it.


mm825

What about the playbook is different from last year


[deleted]

Loss aside, as someone who competes in general I find it remarkable that he can be laughing and smiling after the loss to Denver. That upsets me way more than trying to find reasons for his poor performance.


Dry_Assumption_7352

All points are okay besides #2. With that being said.... We know what we have in Jimmy. There are no better options. He's inconsistent. Gotta ride with him this year... Again.


aswanganation

jimmy at this point shouldnt need a preseason considering nothing is changed….hea throwing to the same guys….its not like the playbook changed….everything in that last game looked to be the same type of play calling…jimmy problems are not surgica related or lack of pre season… he makes poor decisions and it hurts the team


SourdoughDan

I think Denver has a good Defense and they beat our O line and stopped us from getting into a rhythm. We couldn't get the run game going. Jimmy missed wide open Deebo, Jimmy gave up the safety and didn't need to. (Should've thrown it away) there was no adjustments made we kept running the same plays all game. Like it sucks to suck but we sucked that game on offense.


swiftycent

You say reasons. I say excuses. It was too bad a performance for someone of his experience level. Even without training camp Jimmy has more 1st team reps burnt into him than Cooper Rush has ever received and yet he was able to go out and make the plays that were there. Jimmy missed too many even for a backup filling in on short notice (which he really isn't IMO)


JamesCaulder

Yep. Shanahan forgets what works and that’s running the ball 30 times a game. They have a good backfield with enough blocking to creatively acrue 4-5 yards a carry. This is a major blunder by the staff. Shanahan tends to spaz a bit when the games are tight. He deviates and starts calling plays that force Jimmy into awkward situations. He’s just not dynamically creative enough to Improvise. That’s not an excuse. That’s a fact. So when Shanahan says we didn’t execute he’s excusing the fact he let the game dictate his plays rather than the other way around.


swiftycent

Yea I agree. I know nothing about game planning and playcalling but I gotta wonder at what point is it misfortune/bad luck for these 2nd half issues across KS career vs some flaw for him


JamesCaulder

He has a track record of leading two super bowls going into the second half only to watch it slip away as he becomes a deer in the headlights


swiftycent

I remember during the 28-3 comeback ATL had some crazy chunk plays. Julio made an insane catch and a few others but right after they'd do something stupid and go backwards or a strip sack and pick


JamesCaulder

Yep. But Shanahan forgot how they built that lead in the first place; by pounding the rock to the point they had their way with New England’s D. It was a masterful display of efficiency and ball control. But in the second half they tacked left and suddenly Matt Ryan was asked to maintain the momentum through the air. And before you knew what happened, NE was back in it by the fourth quarter. Shanahan did the same thing in 2020. He abandoned the run in the second half again, turned it over to Jimmy’s arm which was a mistake (every time!) History repeats itself when Shanahan forgets how to go for the jugular.


Primary-Raccoon-2101

FOH


NoBridge9571

Same ol Jimmy


swiftycent

Remember [this](https://twitter.com/KNBR/status/1564691485785657344?s=20&t=oVEyYWhJlu8LEmZl4o54gA)


bpcgreen75

Wow. Hopefully he was kidding.


swiftycent

He's not and its not farfetched to believe him because he doesn't have a historical playbook like the waterboy. I just responded to someone else on this same issue: > But in all seriousness you should read up on how Kyle does his 'playbook'. There's plenty of articles on it. (here's [one](https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/kyle-shanahans-long-play-call-shows-why-49ers-playbook-no-joke) and [another](https://www.si.com/nfl/49ers/news/how-kyle-shanahan-formulates-49ers-offensive-playbook\))) > > He doesn't have a book of plays in that historical sense its all concept based. That's why the play calls are so long because its telling everyone what to do. Jimmy undoubtedly knows the language of Kyle's concepts which is why I fully believe he was not worried about at least that 1 particular thing everyone seems to be making an excuse for Jimmy today. > > If you want to talk about not practicing a lot with the starters affecting his timing and rhythm at least that's plausible...But this playbook nonsense is just that.


bpcgreen75

Very interesting. "They speak the same language" is deep.


Master_smasher

lmao! no. this is garoppovsky. this is dan garoppolo. the running game couldn't bail him out this time, and the defense couldn't hold on. about half his games are like this. *he needed a blocked punt* and a deebo run to get into the nfc championship. and i bet you want to talk about the snowy weather. **another excuse**. *he didn't let his oline get set, false start and almost gave the cowboys a chance for a comeback.* good thing it was the cowboys. *he only threw 8 passes cuz some of them were ducks or targeting the other team.* similar throws were in the previous playoff game so couldn't really trust the passing game now could they. good thing the running game was so elite. i do not are about "he outdueled brees." goff "outdueled" mahomes! matt ryan just "outdueled" mahomes as well. **nick foles** won a super bowl! lolz...