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TriggerWarn-ing

They keep doing this every few years for no reason.


Individual_Coach4810

I am Dutch and this is a very disrespectful act by a someone who claims to be a politician but never got any seat in a parliament. He is only seeking attention and unfortunately he got it.. Do not judge the whole country or their citizens cause there is one lunatic. Same I won't do against Islam cause there is one Moslim who may do something that I may think is disrespectful to my values/traditions. I know better as I live in Dubai and have several Moslims that I respect as my friends/neighbours colleagues etc


maaz_104

Why is it so we keep hearing news like this coming out of Netherlands only out of all countries? Is there anything particular about Netherlands? I'm just curious.


Individual_Coach4810

Can you enlighten me? What other cases have there been, can't remember.


maaz_104

2010 - Mosque Vandalism - Groningen Netherlands, 2016 - Arson at Mosque - Enschede Netherlands, 2016 - Arson at AIC - Culemborg Netherlands, 2017 - Mosque Vandalism - Venlo Netherlands. Now, this and more I haven't mentioned above.


FCOranje

Now list all the terror attacks by our own in the Muslim community. Especially against other groups including: christians; jews; atheists; lgbt; etc There are crazy people that discriminate in all communities. That doesn’t mean you scapegoat. FYI - the second most common name for newborns in Netherlands is Mohammad. The Muslim community is largely respected in Netherlands. I can’t say our community has been as respectful for the local culture though.


Individual_Coach4810

Thanks for info; I didn't know about them and any violence is not accepted and please accept that this is a job of a select few lunatics in our country. Unfortunately there have been cases of arson on churches in Holland in the last years and you do not want to see the security around Jewish school and Synagoge in Holland. In Holland many politicians need strict security due to threats coming from people that disagree with them. It is very unfortunate violence against people happen, on the street, shooting at malls and schools and yesterday in a church in Spain while people where attending a service. Please do not think that every Dutch person is violence or against Islam cause if we continue that way of reasoning we can all be considered violent/terrorist etc


dappodan1

whats concerning is the lack of response There are laws against Anti Semitism across all of Europe but islamophobia is the acceptable form of hatred across the globe and continents. when you research which governments are actively funding and lobbying on behalf of these islamaphobic organisations across Europe thats when you realise how deep the matrix goes


WoundedEgos

if that was a burning star of David instead, you'd get the entire west in an uproar.


ultravioletgaia

Not really. The Bible gets burned routinely in some lgbtq protests. Smh stay close minded


WoundedEgos

does no one read around here??! I'm not talking about the Bible.


ultravioletgaia

Lol yeah bec quran to Islam is the Bible to Christianity smh


WoundedEgos

so you think it's okay to diss some religions and not others?


fctplt

There is a difference - Most Christians won’t care. You won’t invoke the same type of response by burning a bible. Muslims tend to be way more devoted to their religion and thus much more easily offended by something like this. Plus this comes after Europe has already been disrespecting Muslims for a while. If you want to invoke a response from Christians, you can look at the World Cup for examples of how to do it. I’m neither Christian nor Muslim, but this is my view from the outside. Muslims treat their religion as a core part of their lives, while Christians typically do not. They are triggered in other ways though.


ultravioletgaia

You think me not wanting to condemn one person's shit as a whole country is the same as dissing other religions? You must think ISIS represents Islam then. Fucking Hypocrites


PoStM0rT3m

Just for you to know this was done by a lunatic and doesn’t reflect to public opinion. There was a wave of disgust and shock from countless Dutch people in and outside of the country. There’s a lot to do on this topic still though!


Abdelkader98

Which governments are funding that?


TheFormalRiddler

This why I sometimes hate Europe since they always talk about tolerance but then display Islamophobia.


Jkillaforilla90

Judaism is not a political ideology. Islam is.


dappodan1

*halakha* and zionism dont care what you think


Ikhlasmas

(يُرِيدُونَ لِيُطْفِئُوا نُورَ اللَّهِ بِأَفْوَاهِهِمْ وَاللَّهُ مُتِمُّ نُورِهِ وَلَوْ كَرِهَ الْكَافِرُونَ) صدق الله العظيم


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Odd_One_Out_

شو بلاك على عيال القوز قزح؟ 🤣🤣


FCOranje

But you can insult LGBT… it’s not illegal I don’t agree with either of them. But people in general are pathetic. I’m Muslim and have lived in multiple countries with different cultures and backgrounds. I have definitely seen the Islamaphobia. Live and let live. Stop insulting others. (Not aimed at you. Just a general rule I live by). We as Muslim’s definitely need to follow this - but we definitely don’t. We come from oppressive non secular countries that treat life like it means nothing. We definitely need to grow and reflect more. UAE is probably the only one trying to grow in the middle east/asia. Side note: you calling someone a hypocrite is ironic because you’re complaining about hate speech against Islam (which I agree needs to stop), but you proudly proclaim hate speech about LGBT. I hope that is not lost on you.


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Eequal

I’m not so sure there’s still freedom of speech in Europe, but let us assume so. What’s the point of burning a copy of the Quran? Why go the long way of trying to insult others? Do you think anything can be made fun of? I think OP is right tho. You will be referred to as a homophobic if you criticize LGBT folks, and you will be called an anti-semite if you criticize Israel, and of course an islamophobe if you criticize Islam. What’s so new about this?


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Eequal

No one did anything to the person who burned the Quran. There’s no violent action towards them, so why bring up mob violence?


Shitby

Yes you do. They are a “protected group” and anything is considered a hate crime.


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Shitby

So when in the UK a kid called out a bunch of transwomen on the train and they stomped the fuck out of his head with their heals. Who do you think should get punished? There is a video about it. Look it up. That is one example of many about the bias.


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Shitby

[here is the video since you cant google](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/pcnjxs/teenager_angers_group_of_trans_women_and_gets_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). The actual sad part is no one went to jail.


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Shitby

And what was the punishment for an actual assault????


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non-hetero

You originally brought this up and said "Who do you think got punished?" in a chain of comments about how things are different in the west. I followed the link and read it was not the one who said anti-LGBTQ+ things that got charged, it were those who used violence. They refer to the one who said negative things and got beaten up as the victim in the article. https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/20/man-beaten-up-for-telling-group-of-trans-women-they-werent-women-13626166/


Shitby

They got charged with nothing. Compare it to other violent chargers. You can check out my other link for another example. Where a lesbian gets charged for hate crime for saying men cant be lesbians. There are so many examples. It is weird how instead of acknowledging it. You guys are defending it. Thank god im from Asia.


Shitby

[here is another article](https://nypost.com/2022/12/15/tonje-gjevjon-faces-up-to-3-years-in-prison-for-saying-men-cannot-be-lesbians/amp/) You can easily google so many people being charged for “hate crimes” over tweets or criticizing then in Europe.


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pleasebuymydonut

Why respond to hate with more hate? Especially towards a group of people completely unrelated to this specific situation...


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tareddit06

I have an LGTV and switched to Sony recently. Picture quality is miles ahead.


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TriggerWarn-ing

Mods are asleep i guess haha


non-hetero

Autobots roll out!


ftc1234

This is a great analogy.


juliotikz

Best analogy of all time. Keep it coming.


TheFormalRiddler

I’m disgusted by this. For some context I’m Dutch. It’s very disrespectful.


DeathAwaitsU

"Progressive" western countries


Tricky-Maybe-7208

"Progressive" more like "Aggressive"


TheVoiceOfTheMeme

This was done by an extremist, not a progressive


Short_Inevitable_947

Act of one man does not damn the country, just like one islam terorrist does not mean his countrymen are all terrorists. Or do we want souble standards?


dxbwebguy

But government is not stopping it right


IRL2DXB

They aren’t able to stop people getting rammed down by trucks I don’t think they will be able to stop people burning books.


ultravioletgaia

Yeah hypocrisy of some people in this thread.


IndecisiveEmirati

Wasn’t it Sweden last time? Also why do we even care. It’s not like their government did it. We know that their government respects us and our values and religion. If someone here did that with a bible it’s not like Italy or the pope will say they condemn it. They don’t care.


WoundedEgos

you think it's okay to insult certain religions and not others? When you have countries that literally have laws in place for certain religion but not others that ain't free speach that's corruption and hypocrisy at its finest.


upvoterequisitor

they dont respect your religion if they tolerate hate speech like this


gredeb

Their government respects your religion if the burner of the Quran receives the same punishment a Muslim Swede would receive if he burns the Israeli or LGBT flag


No_Chapter_9287

You don't understand. Encouragement of such activities increases discrimination and mistreatment of Muslims globally. Such actions of hatred should not be encouraged, and yes, it is within the prerogative of the government.


IndecisiveEmirati

It’s not like if we stay silent we are encouraging it. We are just staying silent and diplomatic. They have their freedom of speech it’s their country. Why should we have to merge our religious views with our international relations? That’s just my opinion. If we really want to talk about standing up for our fellow muslims we better go all in or all out. Why aren’t we talking about the uyigher Muslims? And the torture that they go through. Poor people. Oh, dear me, we wouldn't want to upset dear old daddy china now, would we? Heaven forbid we speak out about the treatment of our fellow Muslims Uighurs, simply because it may impact our precious investments and interests. It’s even the opposite. We helped them run websites to find them out here and weed them out back to china. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m happy to learn.


No_Chapter_9287

It is not freedom of speech. It is hate speech. If a person goes around and kills people out of stress, would you consider that as freedom of expression? We don’t know what kind of oppressive activities are they doing behind their back to Muslims. It encourages oppression if we remain totally silent. No one forces you to feel the strong emotions along those lines. There are laws for antisemitism but not for Muslims. Besides, no one can burn Bible or Torah for exhibition in the modern UAE with public approval. I am not sure about your scope of ‘we’. I am an expat. I do condemn the atrocities committed to Uyigher Muslims. What’s happening in China is unspeakable. UN members did condemn that. Human rights group have accused it. ‘you protested less for this. So you shouldn’t protest for that’ is not exactly relevant here.


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Aero-Artz

Not sure if you’re Muslim, but Islam is one religion no one can tolerate disrespect against. If we devote our lives to something, it’s likely we will stand for it and if you think no one should care in both the cases, you stand for nothing.


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Just lame really. Some idiot wanting his 10 mins of fame...


AnaBlack90

With their attitude ,the west is doing to a catastrophe, what I’m absolutely don’t mind about :)) they are too busy barking at Russia or screaming for lgtb stuff, to take care of real problems inside of their countries.


ummr8900

The reality is that we Muslims have no backbone left in ourselves.


hurrehman

Regret reading this. Allah will do justice one day. This act could not vanish Allah’s revelations. It’s in Muslim’s heart. We condemn this, and request international community and United Nations to stop doing this. It’s more painful for us than holocaust for Jews


ultravioletgaia

Jeez it's not a competition you're disgusting


reecejessehubble

What? This is more painful than the holocaust are you serious? 1 book burned vs 6 million people slaughtered. It’s not right that the Quran was burned at all, but Seriously?


spaceman3000

Did you just compare burning a book to killing 6 million people including kids? Wow.


hurrehman

First, I condemn the mass killing of innocent Jews. However, I showed an example of the hypocrisy of different people; they don't want anyone to say anything about that. You should also be concerned about the 1.8 billion Muslims because insulting our book or any prophet hurts us much more than anything else. I can never compare Allah (God) or his words in our holy books (the Quran, the Bible, the Gospel of John, etc.) to any human. Allah (God) is incomparable. I have just given an example to demonstrate hypocritical freedom of speech and expression. Now that no one is condemning the burning of the Quran, if thereafter people start burning innocent people of different religions, will that also be freedom of expression?


spaceman3000

I don't see how anyone would jail you over something you said. Isn't it a freedom of speach? I'm just saying burning the book is worse than genocide is just making me speechless. I understand your beliefs and I'm against about insulting anyone, be it Muslim, jew, gay etc, but comparing or even saying it's worse than genocide? Wowx2


craigsimpson22

This will only serve to make more people do it. This is exactly what they wanted attention.


Agreeable-Total5320

Ah man, hopefully they will renew my residency next week... idiot politicians


seanfernandes

Wtf