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tMoohan

Really squeezing those back muscles, like you said focusing on shoulder rotation but by pulling your shoulder back with your back muscles rather than pushing your shoulder forward.


derpceej

I’ve done this and have strained my trapezius and rhomboid muscles on 2 occasions now. Any advice on how to prevent this because both times it happened I was out of any bag work or upper body workouts for about 2 weeks


DeathByKermit

Shadowboxing will help. Shadowboxing at a slower pace allows you to focus on technique and recognize which muscles you're engaging with each punch and movement. You'll learn a lot by breaking things down this way and there's almost zero chance of injury. One counter-intuitive thing that new guys who start exclusively on the heavy bag don't realize is that you have to learn how to miss punches. The heavy bag actually helps you "cheat" a bit because it allows you to throw big, off-balance power punches without consequence. Shadowboxing helps develop the muscles and muscle memory needed to make your punching mechanics efficient and repeatable.


thecookiesayshi

Might need to strengthen/mobilize those muscles some more before you can use them more effectively.


rksharmanyc

Sorry clarifying, pulling the opposite shoulder back right?


tMoohan

yes exactly


davidluis_212

Yesssiirrr, like a whip 😃


IAmAntrax

Turning your punches over to add an extra pop.


dbrodes

Layman terms please


derpceej

Turn em like a door knob


dbrodes

Thank you


Observante

I find that capitalizing every word really adds pop. I also find that emphasizing one particular shot can distract me from what will happen after the shot or cause me to neglect other parts of the exchange. So my attempts to add power are actually efforts to add pace to the same gameplan. More speed makes a harder impact.


Aside_Dish

Oh, more speed definitely helps. Still, I often wonder which is the bigger multiplier, since it's fairly easy to throw slow, hard shots, but speed in and of itself won't lead to a hard shot. Hell, Foreman was slow as an ox, but it didn't matter; his punching power was ridiculous. And he used a ton of arm, too, rather than only throwing snappy punches. ​ Guess I'm wondering more how guys like Foreman truly maximize their punching strength, rather than guys like Tyson, who are strong *and* fast, but still not nearly as strong as Foreman. Especially considering Foreman hovered around 215-225 at 6'3". People say it was because he was huge, but that's not nearly as big as you would think. He wasn't putting 300lbs. of bodyweight into his punches.


Observante

> Speed in and of itself won't lead to a hard shot. Pontification aside, this is your real mistake here. The same technique with more speed is without fail harder.


Aside_Dish

My post doesn't disagree with that, man. Still, there are plenty of guys that throw fast punches that do jack shit. Speed is only one part of the equation, and, in my opinion, the least important part in regards to actual power output (regardless of whether it lands due to timing, which is a separate discussion).


Satakans

The second part of that equation is mass.


willytheasianwhale

You have to get weight into your shots, maximal power is basically how fast you can transfer the most amount of your weight to your target. Look at deontay wilder man throws that right hand like a javelin. Regardless precision and timing trump it.


Observante

That's your opinion. It'll change when you've put a couple decades into the sport like me.


Aside_Dish

Fair enough. Perhaps I'm biased because I haven't really been in the ring, and the heavybag is my only *actual* experience. Really wanna get in there at TCB, but I'm on blood thinners, and I also have absolutely atrocious cardio. Once I improve my cardio, would love to get some semi-hard sparring in (since I can't actually compete due to a blood-clotting disorder \[automatic DQ\]), but would have to be off my blood thinners for 96 hours or so unless it was very light and with someone who understood they could literally kill me if they went too hard, lol. Some of the guys there are talented as hell, and I'd be scared to drop-in with them. Like the HS-looking Hispanic kid who always trains with Nick at night (not sure his name). But as for people in my weightclass (super HW, I guess, since I'm 300lbs.), not sure I've seen any other HWs when I've gone outside of the bigger black guy (again, not good with names, since I'm not a regular, and I tend to keep to myself, but he also posts here). Got some good speed for his size. I guess I never realized how much lighter most boxers are. I thought most guys would be in the 160s or 170s, but I'd wager most are actually in the 130s and 140s. Thought 200+ guys would be more common (and I'll probably stop my weight loss at 210 or so, and just try to recomp from there), but not sure how many there are at TCB. I'm usually the only fat guy at the classes I go to, lol. ​ EDIT: All that said, best thing I could do is simply get in the gym more. Get my damn cardio in check, improve my skills, and learn from the coaches. Hell, love Omar's style, and his drills have actually helped, especially how he stresses circling the bag both ways.


Observante

There's really only one SHW, idk how to spell his name but it's said like Chooks. You might have some luck with Ben during the day. He's on his 6th or 7th fight I think but he's fair to work with.


unknown7604

pulling the opposite shoulder back, hard step pushing into the ground and trying to turn as hard as i can on the pivot foot, punching all the way through the target tightening the core as well


Spare_Pixel

Pulling the opposite shoulder back (think bow and arrow) was a game changer for me. Not just for power but for adding a little more reach.


Toptomcat

Relaxation. The shot that feels like I'm straining with all my might and main to throw is invariably softer than the one that I throw with what feels like about 80% effort, but with great attention to technique.


DeathByKermit

For me, technique and timing are power. I've found that if I start "chasing" extra power by sacrificing form I usually end up off balance and in poor position to follow up or defend. When my legs are strong, my footwork's right, and my punch technique is on point I don't need to add anything extra to generate power. The trick of course is putting those things together.


Aside_Dish

I mean, I get the whole "strongest punch is the one they don't see coming" thing, but we're talking about pure power shots here, with the presumption that they're thrown at a time and pace where they land. Full Foreman mode, where we're concerned with landing that one punch that will obliterate the opponent's innards.


Toptomcat

Foreman was intimately concerned with timing, setups, technique and defense, not some kind of boxing god who was above such petty mortal concerns. Watch some full fights of his, not just highlight feels.


Aside_Dish

I'm aware of that. But when he threw power shots, he *did* sacrifice speed for power. Not too concerned with speed/timing in this thread.


jay_caramelito

Bad intentions.


Aside_Dish

You're probably joking, but I think having a killer mindset really does help you push past your perceived limits. I'm talking *literally* trying to punch a hole through the bag. As the coach at my gym says, "violence IS the answer!"


jay_caramelito

I was actually serious when I said that. Power comes from ferocity.


PreferenceShoddy7408

You don't see Mike tyson shadowboxing with soft punches. Every punch is to kill. And training with this mindset will improve you


feist1

I breathe out "dick eddd" on every power punch.


JizzBlasted

Making sure my footwork is proper with every shot and I’m turning as far as I can and stepping with every punch I throw?


YeahDaleWOOO

While your fighting relax, when your focused on landing a hard shot it can be easy to get too excited and smother your punches. Breathe and make sure your feet are in the right place before you put crazy pressure on.


Aside_Dish

Oh, relaxation is definitely extremely important. Allows you to really snap your punches and get a good "whirl."


Sedso85

Focus on punching a couple inches behind the target


Fancy_Practice_294

Stepping into the right hand, all your weight on the front foot. It's like, imagine trying to throw a baseball through your opponents head.


CozyWithSomeCoffee

One thing that makes a really big difference is the angle you throw your shot from. If we assume you already do all the basics of a technical power punch, the angle can add a lot to that. For example, go to the bag and stand at an angle where your 2 would just slightly miss (slightly to the left of the bag if you are orthodox), then throw a big left hook from there. Go to an angle where your jab would slightly miss and throw an overhand from there. Personally I noticed a huge difference.


DealerLeather2049

For lead hooks, I really try focusing on staying loose and rotating my full body and engaging my core, while simultaneously making sure I shift my weight from one foot to the other. This combination of staying loose and relaxed but also engaging “essential” muscles for the hook has a “whipping” effect I’ve found.


tearjerkingpornoflic

With hooks try to twist the earth with your feet. Also one thing I didn't learn forever was what really sitting into them meant. Like with a cross if you drop your whole body like an inch at impact it gives a lot more power.


Aside_Dish

Yes, this has taken me a long time to learn as well. And when you say an inch, you literally only need an inch. My straight has been way more powerful since I've started taking a short chopping step to sit down an inch or so.


Great_cReddit

For hooks, I've learned to REALLY engage my legs and it results in awesome power. Like the other guy said, try to twist the earth with your legs.


Oli_Merrick

Punch through whatever I’m punching


Hvittvind

Leads to push punching which is weaker and slower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bVUR9xN8OI


Oli_Merrick

Oh, thanks for telling me that. I actually never realised


cronasminate

My strongest punch is a looping semi-vertical right hook after a fake left hook. It sounds like a gunshot when it hits the bag. But I can't seem to emulate the same power for my left. I feel like just spending thousands of hours doing the same punch with the purpose of punching really strong without injuring your hands is what does the job. I feel like the mental aspect has to be spot on. You have to commit 110% to your strongest punch and you need to know that if it's hits, it can destroy. I never even try to hit anyone with my strongest punch in a spar since I once injured my hand accidentally punching someone in the head instead of the chin. It wobbled them but fuck it hurt.


Spare_Pixel

Direct eye contact and scream like an absolute mad man


naturevalleychewy

proper punch placement is more effective at hurting your opponent than raw power


Aside_Dish

But both is better.


Drewsef916

Danny Garcia method


choochooape

On straight rights, snap your hips, and stick your rear right foot into and *through* the ground, as you deliver the blow. The idea is to create a strong connection between the floor, and yourself, and the pop increase is astounding.


Aside_Dish

I wonder why more people don't do this with straights (picking up their foot and planting it hard). Much quicker and more powerful. Sure, a bigger tell, but if your opponent is focused on your back foot, they're already fucked.


Boxingggfan

Maybe buklshit but I always feel clenching my fist a little extra tight right as the shots landing makes it a bit stiffer


Hvittvind

When you throw a power punch, pull back with the opposing shoulder. Actively. Most guys ignore that part.


boofmeoften

I thought of my body of being like a whip with my foot being the handle and the fist being the tip. And I would practice using all my muscles to throw the punch and I would do it very very slow. Push of with that foot, ankle, calf, knee, hips, back, shoulder, and arm all slow as you can. I would do this like a drill. Spend some time on it. I found it really loaded up my punches.


Aside_Dish

Ya know, I find that I generate way less power when I turn my foot consciously. Instead, I allow my hip drive to force my foot/knee to turn. But it's easy to throw with tons of power without moving the feet at all.


boofmeoften

My straight right was my favorite hard punch to get me out of trouble and I found the back foot push to be key. And even with the hook I turned into it with my lead foot I just felt like it had just that much more leverage. I would show the difference in leverage by getting the student to stand next to a wall and push, then I would get them to push with the back foot digging in. I thought showing the kids that example would get them to understand the importance of the leverage given by turning the foot. With the foot turn you can feel the difference in strength between the two stances immediately. Also as a mental thing I would think of what produces the impact Mass X acceleration equals force. And I achieve that through rapid shifts in body weight. I found just knowing that helped me visualize what I was trying to achieve.


masterdapo

Tighten your core, and really press your weight on the floor (the same way a child does when he doesn't want to be carried) keep your elbows tucked in and punch using your hips.. also don't overextend, maintain perfect balance throughout the punch. punches come harder when you maintain a solid posture..


TheFuckingQuantocks

I spin around in circles, gradually getting faster and faster, as though I'm competing in the hammer throw. Then I yell "by the power of Greyskull, Ka-BLAM!" And unleash a right hook. I'm yet to land a shot against a live opponent. But if I ever do, I'll let you know how it goes.


rockcasbah77

Overextending by a little bit


Brasscasing

Honestly, I find that you can hit hard by brute force (aka just adding power in your arms and planting your feet) or hit quickly and hard by rotation/technique. Rotation always wins. Focusing on the "chain of power" from your feet to knees to hips to core to shoulders to elbow to hand, and imagining your lashing your hand like a whip to throw quickly, gets better hand speed and results over time. I've landed many more power shots focusing on technique. I try to only use brute force when I need to keep the opponents guard up (pressure tactics or hand/body/head, keep them in position (in the corner, against the ropes) or if the are advancing past my jab/range in a bad position (an emergency stop button). Otherwise it's just not productive, it uses more gas, rarely lands clean and you are off balance more just trying to throw bombs all the time.


laytonboxingaccount

Yelling “AHH” when I throw it


Many_Depth1616

visualizing helps. also strengthening your power muscles over time and applying it to your training.


slimreaper187

I try to stay loose until impact and then kinda tense up at the impact. So for instance, when I throw a lead hook (I'm box as a southpaw, not that it matters) I make sure I'm relaxed, throwing the arm like a slap and then I guess think make myself heavy right at the point of contact. Also ensuring that I punch through my target. So for instance, if I'm throwing a straight left to the head, I don't think to end the shot at their face. I try to finish my shot about a foot behind their head if that makes sense.


slimreaper187

Also sitting on your punches helps a ton.


[deleted]

Two things: Think of your punches as a whip, and not a hammer. That is, your upper body should be loose and limber and rely on hip rotation to generate power. I used to mentally make a *whh-tschhh* sound in my head to remind myself of this when I was learning, as I think *hammer* style punches are more intuitive for newbies. For the other thing: It's unorthodox, but I find if I time my cross with a kick off of the back foot I get MASSIVE pop in it while also closing distance. Same also works for a jab, believe it or not. It's much harder to pull off, but it catches people off guard if you find an opening for it, and for a jab it lands *hard*. Both take practice to get right, but for me it's definitely paid off.


Kishin2

rotate out before rotating in focusing on activating specific muscle groups (back/quads/core/etc.) until you feel the sweet spot of all of them coming together staying loose before pulling the trigger


quiksilver123

Depending on range, with most right hands, dipping the left shoulder towards the end of the punch motion while turning over adds some extra pop. Also has the added benefit of raising your right shoulder to protect your head/chin against a counter left hook. [This shot of Tyson](https://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-this-day-20-year-old-mike-tyson-savages-trevor-berbick-to-begin-reign-of-terror/) is a good example.


crucelee

Don't even think this way. That's Hollywood shit. The hardest shots are well timed, using your and his body weight against him. But to answer your question its heavy bag and reps.


Justin77E

Try punch the bag qnd only leave a dew inches between your glove and bag. Generate qs much force as you can with minimal movement and font pull it back


sdestrippy

Timing and precision is all u need to be a weapon


Aside_Dish

Yeah, but that's not power.


invincibleblackadam

I've always felt the hip rotation que was overwrought. In my experience my best shots come from strong oblique twist and retraction of the opposing lat in conjunction with throwing the blow. I did about 7 years of Kyokushin in my 20s and the biggest thing they keyed in on with punching wasn't shooting the punch itself but the intentional forceful retraction of the opposing arm into the chamber to generate the maximum power and I think it's a great que to enhance rotation and therefore power, especially in minimal space(the phonebooth). It also helps you keep balance better since your hips are under you letting you throw multiple hard shots on the same side at a time. It made a tremendous difference in the way I throw hooks and was actually the que that helped my lead hook stop feeling awkward when I first started boxing. If we're talking just one swing for the fences throwing everything you got into it shot it's the baseball pitchesque overhand right with stepping forward and falling into your punch ala Joe Louis that's probably about the most you can put on a shot but as with anything it has to be drilled to get the most efficiency out of the technique.k


Squintsregular

Well what you said at the end their about I’m not talking about form well sad to say that’s pretty much it . Like for instance I think I punch really hard( I say this because my coach was always confident to put me with heavy people and it a MMA gym to I noticed when I practiced my hook on a kick beam people would stare at me I was legit just doing what my coach was telling me to do so I don’t think I was doing anything stupid) the way I say I got it was 1 I would practice punching form with weight like karate people afterwards my body would always feel so light. But pretty much I think your body gets used to the resistance in a relaxed state so when you put some pepper in it or active your muscles then it just amps up like big time . It’s even in kendo form is everything especially with a big sword because it already has all the power.