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Washington state trooper who died of COVID hadn’t been vaccinated yet, family says

Washington state trooper who died of COVID hadn’t been vaccinated yet, family says

b-elmurt

I wouldnt consider that dying in the line of duty tho


Meeklowww

just dying at the hands of political discourse


brownzilla99

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html


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drawingxflies

Propaganda and tribalism


Training_Command_162

Neither actually


drawingxflies

Not sure what your comment means


archquiz

There's a lot of reasons, including some rational ones, but I think a big irrational reason is reverse psychology. Playing hardball (eg, threatening people's jobs) to get them to do something sets off alarm bells in their heads on an instinctual level.


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cannelbrae_

…people who go into the military and don’t like being told what to do may have made a bad career decision. On the vaccination side, they probably get more vaccines than what, 95% of the population?


the-pessimist

I don't. The military in particular is required all sorts of shots for many overseas assignments. And cops, really!? You want to deal with problem people in public but you don't want the best protection against whatever they may be carrying. To me it'd be like one of them refusing a bullet proof vest when responding to an armed suspect.


archquiz

I've heard that a lot of health care workers have already had it and there's never been a satisfactory answer about why people with antibodies still need to take it. There's more general reasons, like the fact it was rush approved, which may be more of a big deal to people in health care. But also, I think even doctors and nurses can have the instinctive defensive reaction I described. It's not being told what to do that's the problem, but being coerced to do it instead of being persuaded.


F1ddlerboy

To your first point: if you've had COVID, you may or may not have built a strong immune response to it. If you had COVID and then get a vaccine does, you absolutely will have a very strong immune response. [https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01609-4) There was nothing about this process that was "rush approved" either: the process was streamlined, but all of the usual steps were followed for the vaccines approved in the US (phase I/II/III trials, side effect tracking, longer-term immune response tracking).


Panic-Freak

Cops and Military get paid to do exactly what they are told.


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Panic-Freak

This isn’t a ticket.


brownzilla99

Not sure if it's sad or not, but I wonder what the vaccine uptake would've been if Trump won the election. All my people hate Trump, but we would've still taken the "Trump" vaccine cause it's the civil thing to do. I'm sure there would be some libs that would've held out for a bit but not at this rate.


seahawkguy

I don’t believe that. Democrats were poisoning the well already. If Trump had won we’d have the same problem only with Democrats refusing to get the shot. The only difference would be there would be no vaccine mandate at the federal level. https://youtu.be/G25rfncVtp0


AlexandrianVagabond

That is the dumbest take. Democrats understand science so they would have gotten the shot.


MayanPriest

Democrts understand that science is a shiney thing. It's more than that though. Science is a delicate balance between oppenness and skepticism. Both liberal and conservative modes of thinking are required. Sorry for being so curt to a stranger, but when people mess science, it's like they're messing with me!


seahawkguy

Twitter is littered with Tweets from Democrats who were already refusing to take a nonexistent Trump vaccine. Give me a break with the whole Democrats believing science. If you really believed science then you would know this thing is never going away. It’s gonna be cold, flu and Rona seasons from now on.


DwarfInAHeliumHat

I got news for you, kid: Twitter isn’t real life.


seahawkguy

It’s real enough that they feel they need to ban people and media because of hurt feelings.


JustWastingTimeAgain

Trump was trying to rush a vaccine before the election, overriding the FDA and all normal approval processes designed to make a vaccine safe. People were rightly concerned about that. That hardly makes them anti-vaxxers.


AwesomeTowlie

bro WTF are you talking about, the same vaccines that you're referring to are the ones that you currently have to take or you cant have a job. So it was wrong to rush vaccines before they were released, but now that they are released it is completely fine to mandate them? Including mandating children to get them the second after they're FDA approved?


chaoticneutral

You are misunderstanding, it is wrong to rush the safety review PROCESS. The review process protects us and shouldn't be mess with by anyone. The development is fine. Note the vaccine mandate didn't come until one of the vaccines got full FDA approval in August of 2021.


seahawkguy

I see. So I can see why people are hesitant to take a vaccine that was rushed through.


AlexandrianVagabond

I didn't say "believe", as science is not a religion. I said "understand", which means we didn't fall for online propaganda about the vaccines and were intelligent enough to grasp the fact that a disease which has killed close to a million Americans needs to be addressed and that a vaccine which has been years in the making was our best chance to do so, after a careful review process (the part Trump was trying to skip). The only thing stopping us from achieving real success is a chunk of Republicans who are almost too stupid to remember how to breath (not all Republicans...the leaders are all of course vaxxed, as their stupidity is mostly just a facade to fool the rubes who vote for them).


Meeklowww

bc the vaccines aren’t as effective


coug4lyfe

Aren’t as effective as what?


mamanamedmesheriff

"yet"


ChefJoe98136

Vaccines have been available under EUA since Dec 2020, with first responders like troopers getting priority. Maybe he wasn't against getting the jab but he seems to have been waiting until the last moments of it being a job requirement. >The Seattle Times also has requested information on how the State Patrol determined Gunderson contracted the coronavirus on the job. I hope we get those details but, unlike a trooper being on the job for a set number of hours a day, if they're on travel assignment they're considered "on the job" simply by being away from their home.


tristanjones

Death, the one stop, forever vaccine


theglassishalf

Seeing the daily coverage of his death on the news, I was confused as to why we should care especially much about this person who died of COVID as opposed to the 720,000 other Americans who died. Now that we know he died of his own choices, I'm even more confused. "Person does stupid thing, dies" may be tragic for the family, but under what universe is it a news story?


Training_Command_162

It gets clicks and supports a narrative.


BananasAreSilly

It’s a news story because other police are also refusing to get vaccinated and the WSP keeps saying this dumbass died “in the line of duty” so that his family can grift off the public coffers despite his intentional demise.


JustWastingTimeAgain

He died “in the line of duty” because of a choice he made not to be vaccinated, and only because of that.


BananasAreSilly

A choice that he would have been fired for if he had lived. It’s not like he died in a shootout or rushing into a burning building, or chasing down a criminal. He died because he was too stubborn and brainwashed and insisted on put the public at risk by continuing to work his public facing job without taking easy, readily available steps to ensure he wasn’t spreading disease to innocent members of society.


MizchiefKilz

"yet" as if he is going to do it now?


brownzilla99

I'll just leave this hear https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/16/us/police-vaccine-covid-deaths/index.html


elister

At least he died a "pure blood", his family must be proud he resisted the vaccine. /s


Training_Command_162

Nobody says this


elister

Sorry, but I've seen two users in /r/SeattleWA talk about remaining a "pure blood" in their refusal in taking the covid19 vaccine and they stress they're not bigoted even tho it's got heavy Aryan/Eugenic vibes.


Training_Command_162

No, that is a ridiculous stretch. Wow


hoehater

Another moron bites the dust, good riddance.


alwayshavetopee

Oh no! Anyway


Nudez4U420

He's giving speeding tickets in heaben now <3


Doc-Milsap

Cool.


drew1010101

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.