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Seattle will require proof-of-vaccination at bars, restaurants, and more

Seattle will require proof-of-vaccination at bars, restaurants, and more

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Mr_SlingShot

They don’t want to put the burden on the restaurants to continue checking for proof. I’m guessing they’re hoping that we’ll be more vaccinated or COVID will not be as prevalent


91hawksfan

More vaccinated.. KC is like 85% vaccinated, there's only so many more people to vaccinated lol. And COVID is endemic so it will be just as prevalent in the spring.


MetricSuperiorityGuy

Exactly. 85% of the County's eligible residents have begun vaccination. And Covid is never going away. Not sure when our leaders will start waking up to the fact that they've instilled so much fear in people about Covid that it will be hard to eventually pivot to "We'll all be exposed eventually. Live your life." - because that's exactly what will happen. Every single one of us will be exposed. Just live your life as you prefer.


startupschmartup

Yeah there's clearly a pattern of peaks and troughs. You got the late fall, spring and late summer peaks.


Observethethinker

lol you sweet summer child


seahawkguy

15 days to slow the spread. You know, so we don’t have to use Qwest field as a field hospital.


lunaonfireismycat

Does thia still unclude people with recent vaccine tests?


Qrioso

No biggie


Beginning-Ant-1361

But it’s still cool to smoke crack outside of the library, right?


jaybetterman

Yes, crack is still fair game


Not_My_Real_Acct_

> But it’s still cool to smoke crack outside of the library, right? If masturbating inside of the library is [protected by The City of Seattle,](https://www.vice.com/en/article/gq8pv3/testing-seattles-porn-friendly-public-libaries) I'm pretty sure smoking crack inside the library is OK too


SeaSurprise777

Its also still not a crime to intentionally Infect someone with hiv


CapsaicinFluid

protected, perfectly normal, most vulnerable, needs moar compassion


whodkne

If I get a bowl of crack for the table, you'll have some, right? I know YOU'LL have a little bit of crack!


mazv300

It's all theatrics to make the politicians look like they are actually doing something. I'm a manager for a state agency and I'm required to verify the vaccination status of my employees. Do you know what the process is? I Facetime with the employee and they hold up their vaccination card. I have received zero training on what to look for, somebody could print off a card from online and fill it out themselves and I wouldn't know the difference. Whole thing is a fucking joke. If I'm at a bar or restaurant drinking and eating without a mask, do you really think putting a mask on while I walk to and from my seat is going to make a difference?


electromage

Hell, I got the vaccine from a city site and they handed me a blank card and asked me to fill it out...so there is no difference at all.


Annual-Description93

I work in an industry where I check vax cards a lot and we've had to learn as we go. I catch at least 3-4 invalid vaccine cards a day but it requires a bit of common sense (as well as low quality on the forgery). Mismatched dates, ID comparison, lot number of vaccination, font of the card and placement of wording on it, etc. Imagine the nightmare of having to tell people to keep their mask on at a rowdy nightclub.... it's hell, sure some comply at first but after 3 drinks, no on cares and the mandate is unenforceable or the club would be empty.


Cheshire90

To be fair, this is basically how I-9 verification works too. I wouldn't know how to pick out a fake social security card


yakimawashington

But there is the IRS and Social Security administration, both of which are essentially centralized check points where you wouldn't be able to have two people with the same SSN or anyone with a fake one that doesn't match their records for the given name and date of birth. The employer/payroll are reporting to these entities. The discrepancy would get caught pretty fast. There is no such centralization or office that keeps track of COVID vaccinations. It's kinda ridiculous.


jaeelarr

The difference in responses between this sub and the other one for this story pretty much tells you all you need to know about the two subs. You go, Seattle. YOU GO!


LoafLion14

I forgot this is the sub for closeted conservatives


Sleeplessnsea

Can we just be moderate liberals? Asking for a friend …


BeerSlayer69

Closeted?


tristanjones

Hell the third comment you see if from someone who doesn't even live in the state. This isn't even for conservatives in Seattle. It is conservative porn with Seattle branding.


Tastewell

Not even "conservatives": GOPer tools.


adamsj05

I'm a libertarian and believe in actual bodily autonomy. Not just what fits an agenda.


Kcguy98

This explains why every other post is just someone taking a picture of some garbage or rvs on the street and posting it to vent about homeless


fallingbehind

There are a few people here that seem to think it’s their job to post every crime or homeless story that ever happened. It’s made this sub so monotone, I wish they’d just move away. Oh yeah, they don’t actually live here.


Kcguy98

I've never actually thought of them not living here. But yeah that's probably true. Out of town folks do like to find the worst parts of the city and make it seem like the whole city is like that one area. Like I've never had a problem with a homeless person accosting me or anything, I see them on the street say hi and pass them.


SharpBeat

I haven’t yet seen any evidence that people posting here don’t live here. I see this claim from people who disagree with opinions shared by others, and always without evidence.


tristanjones

Not my real account has literally openly admitted to it. Many more have openly admitted to living well outside of Seattle. Post a "I'm so glad I moved out" thread and watch them out themselves


garypenise

"Anybody that doesn't agree with me is a conservative!"


Sleeplessnsea

Me: boo sawant! Boo NTK. Yay: science - vax the fuck up. I don’t belong in either sub.


markyymark13

You're 5 day old account that's been calling everyone a nazi and a f*ggot, get lost loser.


fallingbehind

lol. No. This sub is for conservatives. Just look around.


mOdSrBiGgHeY

And the vast majority of Reddit belongs to the left. Your point?


fallingbehind

Uh, that this sub is mostly conservatives. I don’t understand why you need that clarified.


JGT3000

It's not though


Clean-Reception219

Yes we are closeted conservatives because our fairly reasonable and rational points of view attract massive vitriol from the “tolerant” left. I used to be politically apathetic but just going back to 2019 normal is now considered a far right position apparently.


numba1mrdata

Not getting vaccinated is pretty fucking dumb though


bdlpqlbd

"sO mUcH fOr tH3 t0l3r4nt L3FT!!!!1111one1"


6079_Smith_W_MiniTru

Also substituting mockery and sarcasm for argument. It really allows complete morons to participate and feel validated.


startupschmartup

By the way was it left or right wing protesters who murdered a black child in the cities most prominent park last summer?


beerswithbenaffleck

This is the Seattle sub for people that don't really live in Seattle.


ConfessingToSins

This is where the magas ran after they got ran out of the main sub


fallingbehind

It’s a bit more complicated, but that is the current state of things.


Empathological_Rock

Gonna be real fun in a couple months when all the 2-shotters are "unvaccinated" again.


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MetricSuperiorityGuy

Remember how everyone freaked out a year ago that Trump was going to preempt the FDA about approving Pfizer before the election and it was all over the national news? Biden just actually did preempt the FDA and nobody bats an eye. I'm incredibly pro-vaccine and have no problem with boosters for the elderly and immunocompromised. But, the idea that we're going to give boosters to a bunch of healthy 30 year olds before 70% of the world gets a first jab makes little sense. It's based upon limited real-world data out of Israel showing that it boosts and antibodies again in the short-term. While antibodies wane pretty quickly, T-cell and B-cell responses are long-lasting. Covid isn't a big deal if it's just a cold.


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xapata

That's not how it works ...


yakimawashington

Then how does it work? The CDC isn't even 100% how it works, but they're already saying we need a booster 6 months after our first round. Please inform us and the CDC what's going to be happening next spring.


NobleCWolf

This will not end well. This will never go away. Why are people excited about this?


marksven

Because it's a mechanism to punish the unvaccinated, which they consider their political enemies. They might want to check the demographics of who is not getting vaccinated in King County before they make that assumption.


Selfish_Development_

It's also killing small businesses as well, so that's good


DomenicDecoco2021

Spoiler: it’s not white redneck MAGA people.


nwdogr

Is this supposed to be some sort of gotcha? I don't care if the unvaccinated are 100% far-left progressive POC, there's no excuse to not get vaccinated.


lobster_conspiracy

But the leftists politicians *will* care if the unvaccinated are POC. Because when businesses start refusing patrons based on vaccinations in an objective and uniform manner, it will result in ethnic minorities being turned away in greater proportion than their population. So the leftist politicians either face being called racists by the extreme-left, or they find a way to make the enforcement against ethnic minorities lax to lower the numbers. If they somehow find a way to do that (force businesses to *not* check minorities??), that will result in either a rise in infections from those unvaccinated minority patrons that they can rightfully be blamed for, or it will result in no change in infections at all... which means there is no need for the restrictions in the first place. That's the (purported) gotcha.


csjerk

Why do they need an excuse?


saltyman420

So shitty how this has become a political thing. I’m vaxxed but this has quickly turned into a pretty suspicious thing with all these mandates. Idk man. I’m gonna do my part and comply but when will it end? People who aren’t vaxxed are never going to, all of this only further entrenched them. I hate this world. Can we just let the stupid people be stupid on their own and let nature run it’s course? Can’t I live my fuckin life ?


Empathological_Rock

Also notice how there is no mention of natural immunity in the order from our Public Health Official. That's not dubious at all...


saltyman420

Could you elaborate on this a bit? I also think it’s a bit annoying how much more restrictive everything is given our vaccine rate. The biggest argument I hear is that our hospitals are getting overran, I haven’t done enough research to have a solid opinion. This seems somewhat reasonable although once again stupid unvaccinated people are the cause. What do you say against this argument? How do we move forward ?


Empathological_Rock

Current studies, and datasets from countries with higher vaccination rates (UK, Israel, etc.) indicate natural immunity is both longer lasting and better at combating the currently circulating variants. If this was actually about public health, a positive antibody test or other valid proof of prior Covid infection would be acceptable. The current hospital scare is mostly a staffing issue due to slow attrition during the pandemic, increase in elective surgeries, and recent firings of non-vaccinated (\~20-30% of nurses nationally are still refusing the vaccine). They have more beds, they just can utilize them without staff already managing high patient loads. Further, we have no evidence any of the previously implemented measures to increase hospital capacity have been taken, nor are they being promoted by the politicians or media (mobilize national guard field hospitals, re-erect previously build overflow facilities, ask for that hospital ship, stop firing nurses). Until that changes i interpret talk of hospital overruns as further fearmongering. You can continue to comply, as further illogical restrictions are put into place, or you can refuse the inevitable boosters (in perpetuity) and become non-compliant.


jess_611

Not the person asked, but I thought I’d weight in. We have several GOOD data now showing natural infection provides better protection than vaccine immunity. As a person that tested positive for covid, along with my children, I will not be getting my family vaccinated. Other countries recommendations for previously infected individuals is only 1 dose. Our health offices are doubling down on unvaccinated with no space for a person to provide they have natural immunity.


DiligentDaughter

*That's* what bothers me. My whole family has had covid, what about positive titer? Why should, as soon as it's out, under 12s be vaxxed when they've just had covid?


Empathological_Rock

Kinda creepy how hard they're pushing it, and how many logical inconsistencies such as this one there are...


ExactTransition2673

Yep, I am a Democrat and I am so sorry I voted in these bastards. I don't believe the vaccine is appropriate for me as I have had covid twice (along with my entire family) and it is a MILD disease for me. I would like my immune system to be uncontrolled by what the government thinks is right for me. This will not end well and I will never forget the harm wished upon me by the majority of my fellow citizens. For now, I am a minority and have been excluded from society. Fuck Seattle, Fuck King county, to hell with you!


siberianjaguar123

There are actually many just like you. I have a lot of friends who dont side with the left anymore after the last 8 months. Our government’s response is between childish & tyrannical, honestly both a rational person would think


luri7555

I’m glad having it twice and still not getting vaccinated worked out well for you. You are exactly who I don’t want eating at the table next to mine in a restaurant. Now run off and get some more of that yummy COVID!


AwesomeTowlie

Bruh they literally have stronger immunity than those who have just been vaccinated.


jess_611

You’re afraid of a person that’s had covid and has NATURAL immunity? 🤡


thepolishpen

Because they don’t know history and believe the government only governs through a filter of public good informed by good science. They are collectivist statists.


SharpBeat

This is a strange order given that it goes into effect on October 25th, while the IHME data shows that peak infections for WA [were around August 16th](https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/washington?view=infections-testing&tab=trend&test=infections). Also what allowance is there for natural immunity, which is just as effective? And this affects customers but not workers? And it is reviewed only every six months - why not monthly? All of this feels arbitrary and more based around public sentiment or normalizing invasive polices (breaching health privacy and bodily autonomy) rather than following logic.


Annual-Description93

Simple, if it goes down, they claim it's because of the mandates. If it goes up, they claim the mandates are more necessary than ever. It's a win/win.


chalk_city

Been the game the whole time. Declare victory, blame noncompliance, ratchet up restrictions, declare victory…


koulnis

Quote me: We're due for at least one wave during the fall/winter.


myronhassim

I'd like to know if they're considering those with natural immunity as well. Perhaps antibody testing? Strange times.


BigLewis1

No that would require critical thinking


PM_ME_YOUR_STEAM_ID

They are absolutely not considering that.


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kamarian91

>That data shows that we are project to increase case count, hospitalizations and deaths after November. That's going to be true for the rest of our lives because COVID is going to be endemic and the vaccine starts to lose efficiency after around 6 months.


Phenominom

> Also what allowance is there for natural immunity, which is just as effective? As far as I’m aware, this is extremely incorrect.


PickleCart

Why should there be a carve out for someone who says they'd gotten sick? The vax is free and safe. Require it of everyone.


JustRolledMyEyes

I’m sure it will be no problem for the already short staffed establishments to have to enforce this requirement. /S 😒


xEppyx

That's a no for me, dawg. I'll just avoid businesses that enforce once again.


EclecticEel

I sincerely loathe this shit. The carrot isn’t getting any closer.


Ldoggytown

The smart people are saying, “Fuck it, I’ll stay home. I’ll save my money.” The idiots who love these rules can’t figure out why they’re still poor. 😂


SisypheanDream

So when can we take the fucking masks off? You wanna force me to get vaccinated? Okay cool, then I'm not wearing a mask.


apostasy_is_cool

Never. You will live in the pod. You will eat the bugs. You will take your quarterly booster shot. You will wear the mask. This is your future


jaybetterman

But doesn’t start until October…. Yeah, so pointless and political. We are creating two classes of citizens


Jolaasen

Yet there’s still a mask mandate. So stupid. Inslee always follows what King County does, so I’m sure an imminent announcement for the rest of the state is coming.


Qrioso

what if some restaurants do not comply with that?


seattleartisandrama

Well this should finish off everyone who isn't a chain restaurant.


BucksBrew

King County is at 85% vaccinated, it's not exactly a large population who is being shut out here.


Contrary-Canary

Lots of places in Ballard were already doing this voluntarily. They're doing great.


Sleeplessnsea

Same here on Capitol Hill. This has been the norm for a while and it seems to be going just fine


marksven

I'm fully vaccinated, and I will vote against anyone behind this. I don't want to show my medical records at businesses, and I don't want them to be forced to hire someone at the door to check. In King County, 85%+ of eligible residents have gotten a first dose. Many more have natural immunity after this Delta wave. This new requirement starts in October and lasts at least until April 2022. What exactly is the end goal here? Fully vaccinated people still paralyzed from fear of Covid should not feel safer, since fully vaccinated people can also get infected and spread Delta. It shouldn't make any of them comfortable enough to go dine out. This virus is here to stay, and all of us are going to encounter it at some point. The vaccinated don't need protecting.


MetricSuperiorityGuy

This is the top comment. Agreed on everything you say. Every one of us will be exposed to Covid. It is endemic. The media have instilled so much fear into people about Covid that I think many folks suffer from PTSD and equate it with smallpox or something. Get vaccinated, live your life should be the message.


trunkington4

Agreed. For whatever reason, a lot of fully vaccinated folks are still scared out of their minds and all of these mandates and decrees are directed to try and help assuage their fears. I'm still a little lost as to why we're letting the most scared citizens dictate the rules for everyone else. If they're afraid of the real world, they can sit inside their homes and hide from everyone. But they're demanding that everyone else become as scared as they are. I'm fully vaxxed for what it's worth. I thought getting the vaccine meant going back to normal, but it's clear now that the most scared will decide when we can return to normal.


Life_Flatworm_2007

Once I was fully vaccinated, as far as I was concerned, Covid was something I no longer had to worry about because these vaccines are so fantastically effective. I also don't understand why we're letting people who seem most worried about covid drive policy. Requiring people to show their proof of vaccination can reinforce the fear that the vaccines don't work very well. The health department may not want people to draw those conclusions, but you really can't dictate to people what conclusions to draw, especially when those people are scared.


jakerepp15

Those the most worried about Covid now are the vaccinated or, people that have children that can't get vaccinated (but are at much greater risk from the flu). The unvaxxed largely aren't worried about anything.


Welshy141

> a lot of fully vaccinated folks are still scared out of their minds They're not, really. It's political now, they want more things to punish those they perceive as against them, or going against the government. They did it, so everyone else has to as well, and if they won't they're the enemy.


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Izzydog

R/hermancainaward It’s a thing


Not_My_Real_Acct_

> it's clear now that the most scared will decide when we can return to normal. This is normal now. This isn't going to end. Maybe in 2041 when they figure out something new to replace it.


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Clean-Reception219

Don’t get the boosters when they become required. It’s time to say no.


jaybetterman

Agreed. You’re a bar, not a hospital. If it’s so dangerous to be there, then don’t go. Most other states aren’t doing the this. Seattle really wants two classes of citizens.


Traffic_Spiral

> If it’s so dangerous to be there, then don’t go. I mean... it's less dangerous out there if everyone's vaccinated? Seriously, what kinda stupid statement is that? Do you have the same rule for making restaurants abide by basic health codes? "Hey, if you keep raw oysters in a warm room for 3 days than yeah, they're extra-dangerous, but if it’s so dangerous to be there, then don’t go!" Health standards in eateries are hardly something new.


jaybetterman

This only applies in WA. So I think that’s what you don’t understand. If I’m concerned about Covid, why would I go to a bar? Wouldn’t I be worried of a positive asymptotic test and spreading it to others since delta spreads more? Leave WA, see how any other state is doing it (not Oregon or California).


Not_My_Real_Acct_

> What exactly is the end goal here? The government spent twenty years fear-mongering and telling us we needed to spend trillions to save us from shoe bombers. Now that "The War on Terror" has sputtered out, they're going to spend the next twenty years having a "War on Covid." The government always wants to be at war with *something.* *"War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war.* **It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist."**


Tris42

As my 8th grade Social Studies teacher taught- “War is the health of the state” Meaning government and the economy do best when the state is at war with something. Government contractors get paid, people rally behind a common enemy (supposedly), and a sense of “American pride” when there a winner.


garypenise

I'm fully vaxxed too (for now) and will not support any businesses that still ask me to wear a mask, and certainly won't show them my fucking vaccine passport.


Clean-Reception219

The end goal is totalitarianism. Having to show an ID to do anything in society that can easily be turned off if you don’t stay in line. It’s happening simultaneously around the world.


AquaMoonCoffee

You mean like how you need to show a valid ID to purchase alcohol or marijuana? Or to get into a night club? Or how children need to be vaccinated for measles and mumps to go to school? Or how you need to show a social security card in order to get paid by your job? Or how you need a passport to travel in and out of a country?


MAGA_WA

You'd think voting would be one of those things important enough that people should show ID to be able to do it...


DroneWar2024

Stastists gonna state. ;) Wear you chains with pride and scream about how free you are. lol!


Clean-Reception219

Not the same at all. So tired of this shit. You people want to make it required to risk your health and show an ID to do EVERYTHING. That’s a lot different than the limited cases you mentioned. 1) Proving you’re a certain age doesn’t require you to risk your health 2) Majority of states have opt outs for school vaccines for those who don’t want them, as they should 3) passport control makes sense it’s for crossing between sovereign countries. Of course a country can control who can enter or exit, or else it’s not a country anymore. Of course you leftists love that.


AquaMoonCoffee

There is a greater risk to your health from drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes than from getting the covid vaccine, try again please! Not to mention, compared to actually getting covid. edit: Also there are opt outs for school vaccines because society has herd immunity to many things like mumps and our health care system is bogged down and going into triage over measles cases.


Clean-Reception219

No one is forcing me to smoke or drink either, but they want to force me to take this genetic material into my body that I don’t want.


AquaMoonCoffee

You don't have to take the vaccine, you just cannot also dine indoors this winter or go to mass events like football games and concerts. You are more than welcome to order take out, go get a starbucks, go to the park etc. It's your choice.


Clean-Reception219

Come on. Be real. You know the end goal is making life all but impossible for those who don’t submit to the vax. No job, no life. Look at Biden’s executive order which is a huge governmental overreach that if Trump tried would have been blasted 24/7 on all media. If the vaccine is so good then why can’t you just feel safe yourself and leave us alone? The delta variant came from India, not from antivaxxers here. And vaxxing everyone in the middle of a pandemic is likely to breed vaccine resistant strains - its evolutionary adaptation like antibiotics resistance. So the vaxxers are more likely to breed variants, not us!


AquaMoonCoffee

You don't need to be vaccinated to keep your job, but while the pandemic continues you do need to submit a negative covid test. That seems like a very simple and fair trade off to keep everyone healthy and also happy. If you think life will now be impossible because you can't dine in without a mask at McDonald's for a few months I don't know what to tell you. It sucks but if you wanna live in society you have to play by societies rules.


Clean-Reception219

Actually no Biden is trying to make it almost impossible to keep a job for those who don’t submit to the vax, even if they feel the vax is not right for their own health. But seems like most people around here feel that is ok. Most companies won’t go the testing route and will require vaccines because big companies and the government work together.


trachbreaker

“If you wanna live in society you have to play by societies rules” I wish this was applied equally.


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Clean-Reception219

Bullshit I don’t believe that. Time will tell. Most vaccines get 5-10 years of study before approval. And allowing vax passports sets the precedent that the government can force you to do anything they please with your body from here on out. Maybe next time it will be something YOU don’t want.


AquaMoonCoffee

You can believe whatever you want but science and facts do not require belief to be true. Go visit Idaho and see how they are doing with being unvaccinated and mask-less.


North-Role-1877

Check out the stats on any of the highly vaccinated countries or states. Israel, Singapore, Gibraltar, Iceland, etc., are all highly vaccinated and are all experiencing this same delta waves and high case rates. Show me where high vaccination rates are leading to lower case counts. It's not happening anywhere.


hugorend

As someone who just got back from a vacation to McCall, ID, it was great! People actually out enjoying their lives.


AquaMoonCoffee

I was in Moscow all summer with my boyfriends family who are all medical personnel. You know who isn't enjoying their lives? Them. You know who isn't enjoying their lives? People not being resuscitated because the health care system is collapsing in real time due to the overwhelming amount of covid cases eating up the states medical resources. People are literally dying from things other than covid because they cannot get medical attention and there are no ICU beds statewide.


garypenise

Damn, sounds like hospitals should have gotten more prepared in the past 18 months.


hugorend

https://data.tennessean.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/facility/gritman-medical-center/131327/ Here’s a 10 second google search. Latah county is showing barely 50% inpatient bed usage throughout then entirety of last year. In fact, even the worst time so far for COVID has only resulted in 59 of the 260 beds available being used for COVID. Anecdotal evidence only carries you so far. I personally wouldn’t classify 22% of beds being used for covid as our health care system “collapsing”, but that’s just my opinion.


sp106

Quick burn the constitution, people die sometimes


FilteredAccount123

The government is mandating tobacco and alcohol consumption now?


AquaMoonCoffee

It's no different than children needing to be vaccinated for MMR to go to school. Take-out and outdoor dining is exempt. If you don't want to show your proof of vaccination or negative covid test then do not gather indoors.


North-Role-1877

It's not the same. No one is denied an education when they get an exemption from school vaccines.


kamarian91

> It's no different than children needing to be vaccinated for MMR to go to school. That's only enforced for **public schools**. And a child does not have to show their vaccination records every day at the door. How is that comparable to forcing private businesses to check medical records for those wanting to enter a business?


blueberrywalrus

The cost of the virus in not carried individually and pretending it is is selfish as fuck. There will be more waves. Hospitals will continue to struggle to care for the infected on top of other healthcare needs. The state will end up having to pay tremendous costs for the extremely expensive care that many of the infected won't be able to pay for.


fubarovich

thanks for a good dose of common sense, we need it possibly more than the vax


GlitteringRemove4785

Will they remove the stupid cloth masks from vax at least?


jakerepp15

Nah, that 10% effectiveness makes all the difference!


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GlitteringRemove4785

Only for 50+ !


snrplfth

This is how they want it to be forever. Why would they want the crisis to end? Quarterly booster shots, papers checked at every door, permanent medical surveillance state. Remember citizen: everyone must get the vaccine, which also does not protect you. Don't think about it too hard.


seahawkguy

Like they say we don’t have a government anymore. The President and Governors pass mandates. Those that don’t get struck down by the courts are defacto laws. No need for legislation anymore. We have a king and lords now.


a_bearded_man

It amazes me that people are so willing to invest more and more power in the executive and their agencies following the fear that was present over the last 4 years. It's like we are a nation of goldfish, our memories resetting on Jan 20th every 4 years.


coug4lyfe

The vaccine doesn’t protect you from covid? Jesus you are delusional.


snrplfth

I'm not saying that, government health authorities are saying that. (I was saying it sarcastically in Big Brother voice.) They keep repeating how the vaccinated have to be protected from getting covid from the unvaccinated.


jamrev

Went through a fast food drive thru and they required masking. This idiocy has got to stop.


startupschmartup

Un Bien is requiring masks to pick up food.....outdoors.


JGT3000

That's just good courtesy for those working the window. Should be doing that without mandate


CapsaicinFluid

bars, restaurants, and more continue to struggle as low turnouts become the new normal


Oracle619

This has been a thing in SF for a month or so now. I was there last weekend. Bars and clubs were busy, you just needed to show your vaccine to enter. Really wasn’t a big deal tbh.


seahawkguy

Gee. I wonder why people push so much against voter ID. You make it sound so easy.


CapsaicinFluid

because voting directly impacts political power.


SendItbeeches

No big deal? Shit, what are we going to be up in arms about now?


Sophet_Drahas

I heard Taco Bell is running out of sauce packets.


SendItbeeches

You shut your whore mouth! This would be a true global crisis.


Oracle619

Idk but honestly whipping out my phone for 2 seconds to show my vax card wasn’t call for revolution I’ll tell you that much lol


markyymark13

You got a source to back up that claim? A lot of bars/clubs have already been requiring proof of vaccination and it hasn't seemed to hurt business in the slightest because King County is 85% vaccinated, good try though.


SaltyDawg94

I've been to 3 places that take checking it seriously, and it isn't remotely a problem. Mostly because the patrons aren't assholes.


_m3dia_liar5_syx_

They didn't think their cunning plan through... Drive atheists back to church for an exemption (my ex was a SJW atheist activist public school teacher and now blogs about Catholicism and goes to church). Teach people to be cooks at home, making them find a new hobby and show them its better at home. Decimate sales taxes. Encourage anti-materialism. Bring back home dinner parties and small group socialization. ----- I'm not sure this is actually punishment/coercion. Also ... IF . VACCINATED . ARE . CARRIERS . CAN . THEY . GIVE . IT . TO . EACH OTHER . IF . SO . WHY . BAN . UNVACCINATED . UNLESS . ITS . NOT . ABOUT . HEALTH . BUT . GETTING RID . OF . CONTROL . GROUP . FOR . LONG . TERM . EFFECTS.


Tono-BungayDiscounts

Catholic Church will not be a good home for claiming religious exemption, when the pope is encouraging Catholics to get inoculated.


Empathological_Rock

There's a lot of devout Catholics who do not like or trust this current pope. Fetal tissue was used in the development of all 3 of the current vaccines so it doesn't really matter what he says, as they can state doctrinal objections.


Tono-BungayDiscounts

Fetal tissue was not used in the development of the [current vaccines](https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells), but "fetal cell lines – cells grown in a laboratory based on aborted fetal cells collected generations ago – were used." That's the case for [other vaccines](https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/fetal-tissues), too, such as rubella, chickenpox, and hepatitis a.


bob_the_driver

Ah yes, the "I can excuse enabling pedophiles, but I draw the line at rejecting homophobia and accepting basic science" group!


coug4lyfe

Because you are less likely to get covid in the first place (by 3x) and also less likely to transmit covid if you do get sick and are vaccinated. It’s about reducing the likelihood of medical triage. Not very hard to comprehend.


mOdSrBiGgHeY

And natural immunity is some 13x more effective than the jab, per studies coming out of Israel. Why then is there never any consideration for that? Is is the “science settled”?


guacftw

I'll be so healthy once it starts. Totally not doing this and sell I'll be drinking and eating a lot less


sp106

There's no requirement to check ID alongside the covid card. You could literally just show them the first result on google. I don't support this idea though, and any business that enforces this won't be getting my money even after this ends.


fubarovich

looks like i’ll be having a lot more bbqs and saving some good money by not going out to shitty ass seattle bars and restaurants, no loss there


BigLewis1

This indirectly discriminates against poor ppl and blacks (who constitute the majority of the unvaccinated), will further destroy small business , and have no meaningful impact on covid infection rates . Nice job


alienwarezftw

this is so stupid cant wait till they require booster shots next and then the flu shot JAB JAB JAB JAB JAB


isiramteal

Actual fascism.


ghost-rider74

The didnt even check at the mariners game the other day


herpaderp_maplesyrup

This will actually make people get vaccinated. Best incentive IMO instead of lotto tickets, cash, free trinkets, etc.


kamarian91

> This will actually make people get vaccinated. Isn't the eligible population like 85% vacced at this point? If that isn't making anything better than I'm not sure how adding another 5 percent or so to that number is actually going to change anything


AquaMoonCoffee

Reducing strain on the health care system. King County has 300,000 eligible unvaccinated people. If too many of them get sick at once we go into Triage, like Idaho is right now. Which is bad. People do not get medical attention and there is a universal DNR.


FilteredAccount123

This makes me want to get de-vaccinated out of spite.


JGT3000

I've felt that too. Then I remember I got vaccinated because it will help me and everyone and that I don't let spite and anger drive my decisions like a lunatic. Then I read comments on here, the other sub and coronaviruswa and lose even more of what little faith I had in the people of this city


sp106

So would guns being put to their heads. Does the end justify the means?


Tralalaladey

Not trying to start anything but I’m not getting vaccinated to go to a bar. My trust in authoritarianism and the government has gone off a cliff. These measures to punish me make me dig my heels in harder. I’ve had covid I don’t need a vaccine and I avoid Seattle bars anyway as I don’t want to be attacked by anyone.


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PufferJack

No need, as vax card photos are accepted. 5 minutes in Photoshop and you're done. Someone could even create a neural-net based generator of fake vaxx cards pretty easily.


sp106

I don't think you really need a neural net to copy paste a hand written name onto a card photo.


ExactTransition2673

Nope, its just punishing a MINORITY because the vaccine didn't deliver what was promised. Maybe people should blame our leaders for the shutdowns that didn't end this, the vaccines that didn't end this, the masks that didn't end this.


listlessthe

the vaccines are doing an excellent job at preventing serious illness and death. Hospitals are full of unvaccinated people. If everyone got vaccinated, the medical system wouldn't be overstressed at all. If you catch covid and have no symptoms/light symptoms, then the vaccine did its job. Still very worthwhile.


Welshy141

Remember when you didn't need to wear a mask if you were vaccinated? Remember when you couldn't catch covid if you were vaccinated? Remember any of the mountain of shit Inslee and Co has said that were just straight lies?


MpMeowMeow

You remember how the virus mutated? Yeah, shit changes, and we adapt to those changes. Welcome to reality.


seahawkguy

So how are we stopping a mutating virus?


Clean-Reception219

And it’s going to keep mutating just like the cold and the flu. You can’t become permanently immune to either. So with the vaccine passport paradigm it looks like we will have to be taking boosters every year forever and the vaccine passport system is never going to go away. And that’s what they want. Even though we have lived with potentially deadly circulating diseases like the flu for all of history and been just fine with that - now we have to change everything apparently.


ExactTransition2673

>If everyone got vaccinated, the medical system wouldn't be overstressed at all You do realize that the problem in the hospitals was greatly exacerbated by 18 months of fear and deferred doctors visits due to the shutdowns, not to mention everybody's immune systems are total shit because nobody has been exposed to any bugs since 2020 right?


WhereWhatTea

Just doing a simply search of percent of ICU beds occupied by COVID patients will show this is simply false. Edit: WA DOH says [36% of ICU occupants are COVID patients](https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/COVID19/DataDashboard)


Deadlysteelheader

Yeah I got my papers right here. *unfolds paper* "Deadlysteelheader does what he fuckin wants"


PufferJack

Meanwhile it takes like 5 minutes in Photoshop to fake a copy of a vaccination card, meaning that all anti-vaxxers will keep going out no matter what. Good job!


TurbulentShock1647

This is disgusting and shouldn’t even be a rule, we have to show what “medicines” we have to enter buildings to eat, drink and probably eventually grocery shop.🙄 screw this liberal ass city I hate it here so much. I’m moving to Montana and never looking back.


adamsj05

I did Nazi this coming....