Every goddamn subreddit. Why.
By - atrax_blackfisk
Looks at ops post history. Is literally all political.
And this is clearly a political meme that he recaptioned to complain about politics here, because he disagrees with the prevailing opinion.
I wonder if will ever get out of this haha
Look at the post history of anyone on here who complains about political discussions on this sub, and their comment history is almost always political. There’s a guy who goes around and tells people to “go back to r/politics“ whenever even a slightly left-of-center thing is posted and I looked at his post history the last time he did this and most of his posts are on r/politics calling Democrats evil and shit.
For people who “don’t care about politics”, they sure love it as long as it’s something they agree with.
Also - it’s joe rogan. The man routinely has political discussions on his podcast. Whether you like it or not, it’s relevant.
Those are the same people who wanted kapernick executed by the government for “shoving politics down their throats”
also destroyed the dixie chicks careers because they didn’t agree with going to war
they tell celebrities to shut up about politics but then went and elected a literal celebrity
I was too young to really have an opinion on the Dixie Chicks fiasco back when it happened but goddamn they gotta feel validated 20 years later after all the bullshit that was the Iraq and Afghanistan War.
imagine being bitched at by Republicans telling you to shut up because you’re a celebrity…
…and 15 years later they elect a reality TV star as president
Looking back on it, it was hilarious seeing the USA lose their minds over the smallest shit back then.
They called french fries "Freedom Fries" for like half a decade, because France didn't join the Iraq war. I don't know how waiters kept a straight frace.
No one did this lol
Of course no one with half a brain actually stopped calling them french fries. But nearly 20 years later we're still talking about *Freedom Fries* for a reason. The backlash against France was real and it was ridiculous.
"We should take politics out of sports!"
I agree, we should stop singing the national anthem and stop having the military sponsor and promote at sporting events.
They are rabidly partisan without knowing or caring about politics.
While crying tears of joy as jets and shit fly over while the us army sponsored anthem plays.
Mental illness is real.
the same people who scream “tRuMp DeRaNgEmEnT sYnDrOmE” let pelosi and AOC live rent free in their heads
The real Trump Derangement Syndrome. Next time you see someone regurgitating right-wing talking points, tell them they have TDS. They go ballistic, it's hilarious.
this is a political podcast since Biden took office. not a single peep when trump was in office but just look at Biden and his eratic policies. dude is losing it. Joe doesn't even think hell make it to the next term. as always we look at republicans zoomed out and democrats under a microscope.
tf you talking about? joe has had plenty of political pundits and discussions on his podcast during trump and even pre-trump. I started listening around that time.
also lmao if you think Biden’s presidency is erratic you must’ve been under a rock the last four years…
but it wasn't apart of the show until Biden. and I was only saying the thing Joe says with Biden.
Sorry, not exactly following - were you saying *joe rogan* is losing it, and was biased towards trump during trump’s term and therefore is only now “political” because Biden is in office and it’s more convenient for him to bitch about Biden?
Lol, not sure if you are agreeing with me and I misread your comment
If not him, you nailed my opinion at least. Seems Joe really wants to try and be a "Texan" not but he doesn't even know what that means so he's just trying to be less liberal. He has always came off as way more progressive back on Y.T.
Ironic but also predictable.
Lmao right? This is arguably the most astroturfed and fucked with subreddit on this website. Although one side certainly has a much greater financial backing to participate in such activities…
Wait somebody is getting paid to post here? Where the fuck do I sign up?
You likely don't want it; the hourly rate is way below US minimum wage. It's mostly people living in India, the Philippines, and other somewhat-English-speaking countries with low costs of living and low prevailing wages.
I'll gladly shitpost for a living.
Literal oil barons fund right wing propaganda meanwhile I’m still waiting on my George Soros check
Edit: lmao at the downvotes, doesn’t change facts that there is a lot of money in being a right wing shill/pundit. Follow the money.
Almost every right wing pundit is bankrolled by the same relatively small group of billionaire donors. Follow the money for the IDW, TPUSA, etc, and it's all Koch, Prager, Murdoch, etc.
I thought Prager was funded by Koch, etc, or does he have business interests outside of his media stuff?
You're probably right - I get my lengths of the billionaire to misinformation pipeline mixed up
Yeah, and Billionaire tech doesn't fund the Dems? They're both corrupt and worthless. Anytime an honest politician gets close to a meaningful position, they are destroyed by the MSM or the party.
You’re not wrong but you need to understand two things:
1. Dems are majority center left at best, establishment and very much capitalist. They get funding because they are corporatists. If they are not as corporatist, and skew actually leftward (anti-capitalist), they can kiss that money goodbye. It’s why CNN and MSNBC may skew towards the dems (which makes them centrist, not leftist), but you won’t find a single anti-capitalist pundit being paid the big bucks to shill for socialism. Leftism exists to empower the worker, not the owner, and that’s bad news for the people who own even CNN and MSNBC. Whether you agree with leftism or not, you can recognize it does hurt the bottom line of the wealthy.
This is why during the dem debates, Sanders’ positions were wildly misrepresented, while anti-m4a commercials played on breaks. CNN had a fucken field day when it was shown that Sanders was a millionaire.
2. There is more money in conservative propaganda and punditry because it provides more benefits to the ultra-wealthy’s bottom line. Straight up, it’s not even close. It’s such a thing that leftist commentators have running jokes about how rich they could get becoming right wing grifters. Shill for policies that lower taxes, decrease or retain shit minimum wage, lower government spending on public programs and infrastructure, privatization, etc, and you can get the investors rolling in.
This both sides argument always has a kernel of truth but doesn’t take away from the very real fact that one side gets it more than the other.
My point wasn't about candidates, it was about media.
This reminds me of the post talking about the keystone pipeline and the very top comment (explain how the general public just doesn't understand, and pipelines are actually GOOD) was made by a user names IBoilOil ,which could be seen as a reference to the fractional distillation of petroleum
I was mainly actually talking about just pundits as opposed to Internet commenters but that is really interesting, I didn’t actually know how much are actually were paid shills on Reddit, would be interesting to see the data on that. Makes sense
Dude, Bill Clinton changed the Dems into corporate shills just like the Republicans. That's why they have everyone fighting over bullshit, while income inequality, Medicare for all, and never ending foreign wars are never discussed in any meaningful way.
Not just Clinton, but the baby boomer generation as a whole. That generation was born into quite arguably the easiest situation of any generation in any civilisation in human history, largely built on the back of strong regulations and antitrust laws as well as a "lift up the lowest rungs of society" mentality, and an interest in the greater good... and pretty much immediately hoarded anything and everything they could while fucking over anyone they could.
Just look at the (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_United_States_presidential_election),  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_United_States_presidential_election) and (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election) election results which are in line with Boomers becoming the dominant bloc, and its clear to see why the democrats switched to basically "diet republicanism" on the economic front, and with the primary process it also has to be noted that this shift in that party also came about thanks to Boomers.
The difference of what they inherited vs what they have left for those coming after is historically bad, given they did not have their lands conquered or destroyed by disaster.
Obviously there are plenty of good people among them, but as a generation they are pretty repulsive. [Silent Generation's George Carlin put it best](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aTZ-CpINiqg).
In terms of exactly how they fucked it (and a really interesting, actually fun read into the history of American economics from around the 1940s onward) I'll throw out this book as a great read - [The Economists Hour](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Economists-Hour-Prophets-Markets-Fracture/dp/031651232X).
Thanks for the book rec! And good overall write up too
We totally agree. I’m just saying there’s a lot more money in conservative punditry. I wasn’t talking about politicians
Also yes there is funding going behind establishment dem media too- but not leftism necessarily.
Edit: just FYI because there are always chuds who want to cry “bUt WhAt AbOuT CNN” - being a leftist is different than being a democrat. Democrats and Republicans all support the same economic system (just to varying lengths, dems generally want more regulation and wealth distribution but are still v corporatist) but leftists reject capitalism. The money that tends to fund leftist commentators and pundits (who typically are NOT part of corporate media like CNN, MSNBC, etc) tends to come primarily from their patrons. The money that funds right wing and establishment “left” (read: centrists) punditry comes from industry and corporate interests.
It’s actually a common running joke amongst leftist commentators that they would make so much more money if they decided to become a conservative grifter.
can you help me I’ve been trying to get a hold of Soros to give me my paycheck
>doesn’t change facts that there is a lot of money in being a right wing shill/pundit.
Is there? How? Where?
Well, this sub is the alt-right's last stand. If they can't funnel off enough libertarian types to keep the ranks filled, they'll be back to the trenches of AM radio forever. It's only natural that they put this much effort into this place.
You can't blame them for trying.
This isn’t an alt-right sub
Nope. But it reminds me of high school. The days when the military guys would be on campus to recruit people by giving out t-shirts and acting bad ass.
It's the same here. Except instead of the the military it's Steve Bannon and Co.
Lmao look at this loser
I think that’s a rather simplistic and naive take, but I can understand where you’re coming from.
Also Joe Rogan has Dan Crenshaw on constantly to suck his dick publicly. Joe and half the sub are trying to push snake oil. Joe Rogan is a political podcast
i knee that would be the case
You might come to reddit to read genuine and thoughtful, and therefore interesting, perspectives ... as a change from your daily corpomedia (or is it *copro*media?) feed. But even here, commercial and ideological product-placement by assorted shills and astroturfers (and witless useful-idiots) dominates. *They*'re the ones to benefit from ingenuous visitors to the site seeking and expressing sincere (political or other) views. They've basically '*gamed*' discourse.
Sure seems that way… the internet of 5+ years ago doesn’t exist anymore. Now censorship and propaganda dominate so many sites, including Reddit
It goes hand in hand with the phones. Before you had to be at a computer, most likely even a desktop at home, and it gave us a different crowd on the internet and early social media. (Fark - was basically Reddit before Reddit and an amazing community) I think there’s a lot of reasons behind this and I’m not sure I know completely why. When the phones came and the social media apps with them, it gave every single person a voice and a platform. A lot of people shouldn’t have that type of reach or voice. These are the things that used to stay in their head or only be heard in their small groups of friends.
Now you have these insane takes that are put out instantly on this communication device they have in their pocket while sitting at the coffee shop and scrolling their curated to their politics social media feed and with no discernment, consideration, or critical thinking.
It’s fact and there’s enough research, documentaries, whistleblowers that social media has made us more hostile towards each other. It’s their business. Same as most media or news companies. This was not as effective when everyone wasn’t connected at all seconds of the day on our phones. I know what it does to me and I still partake, that’s how powerful it is.
One of the worst aspects of the internet I hate is how the number of followers/fans you have is how valid or invalid your statement is. When in reality it doesn't matter if the whole world supports you, if your wrong then you're simply wrong, other people agreeing or not agreeing doesn't make it right or wrong. You can have 1 or 1 million followers, but between the two the general population will think the person with 1 million follows is right and the one with 1 is wrong.
Also, within recent years the most degenerate people have been getting boosted in society. We rarely popularize intellectual thinkers or philosopher anymore, instead we put the most low thinking and sensationalized on pedestals (catch me outside girl is one that comes to mind)
Yup. Some very well educated and thorough social media posts get buried when the opposing view replies with some 4 word mantra like a drone and they get boosted/upvoted/liked to the moon.
I was using the internet on a daily basis 20 years ago. You have no idea what we've lost.
>I was using the internet on a daily basis 20 years ago. You have no idea what we've lost.
Right? It was the wild wild west and mostly inhabited by smart reasonable people, which meant a lot of the content on any particular subject was also smart and reasonable. Now we have Idiocracy-Net... Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
Well, sort of. It definitely had it's share of crazy people and assholes as well. There was certainly a higher barrier to entry, but that didn't guarantee that the only people using it were smart or reasonable. Even Dale "Rusty Shackleford" Gribble had a computer with internet access in his basement.
The big difference is that these people either didn't stick around because forums were moderated and they got banned - which I always think about people crying about "free speech" back then, whenever I read about people saying being banned on Twitter is an attack on "free speech" - or they didn't and eventually soured the entire space.
I guess the main difference is back then you knew these were free range idiots, and not factory farmed idiots. Is the person claiming that the covid vaccine is a hoax a real person who really thinks these things? Or are they a - literal or figurative - bot just repeating something they've been programmed to say? Is the post I am reading someone's genuine thoughts, or is it a paid advertisement made to look like organic content?
>Well, sort of. It definitely had it's share of crazy people and assholes as well.
I wasn't trying to say it was pure. See this is kind of what I mean, it's unreasonable to think I was arguing an absolute in my opinion. It's more reasonable to conclude I'm arguing a general disposition of people and content being of higher quality. Not that they were all smart and all reasonable, but that for every 10 people on the internet, only 1 or 2 might be dumbshits, while 8-9 would be capable of critical thinking and nuance.
Also just to be clear, my general position on the human condition is that no matter how smart you are, you still have the capacity to be the dumbest of dumbasses. We are all flawed and fallible, some are more flawed and fallible than others though.
> See this is kind of what I mean, it's unreasonable to think I was arguing an absolute in my opinion.
I think what you also mean is people take every response to be an attack of some sort, which is what your reply comes across as. Mine in no way was disputing what you said, I was just adding to conversation from my own experience. Nothing either of us said contradicts the other.
Maybe that's the defining trait of the modern internet culture - everyone is angry and defensive, and acts like everyone else is out to get them any time they get a response.
>I think what you also mean is people take every response to be an attack of some sort, which is what your reply comes across as.
Which is an innate problem with text communication. I didn't see your post as an attack, so much as a misrepresentation of a simple point I was making. You felt the need to clarify my point by pointing out what I was not saying. I used the word "mostly" in my original reply to generally characterize that people using the internet back then were more intelligent and reasonable. That's it. I wasn't saying there weren't assholes, dipshits, trolls, criminals, etc... I was just saying there were less of them and more of an other. :)
It's fine. I don't think you were intentionally being a dick or anything. I think internet text is a poor form of communication because people are strangers to each other and don't know how literal to take someone, and what their general disposition is. I'm sure if you knew me in real life, you wouldn't have felt the need to expand/clarify my point.
It's cool man. I also agreed with a lot of what you said. :)
Text communication is a problem. Always pause before send.
Another trap I have fallen into and now specifically watch for is this. You will be reading a bunch of responses that you disagree with and get worked up, finally replying to one of them. But, you unload all the rebuttals/outrage from the whole set of comments instead of focusing solely on what the person you are replying to said. You end up attributing to them all kinds of things that they didn't even come close to addressing.
Right!? People always assume my comments are absolutes just because I didn’t take the time to add in 10 sentences worth of qualifiers. It drives me crazy.
>Right!? People always assume my comments are absolutes just because I didn’t take the time to add in 10 sentences worth of qualifiers. It drives me crazy.
TBH I'm notorious for being/taking things literal on the internet to. It's my failing, but it's one I am aware of so I try my best (and still fail) to keep it in check.
Sam Harris had someone on who he was at odds with about the religion of Islam, and one of the comments made during that podcast was simply "Rather than take someones comment in the worst possible way, we should strive to take it in the best possible way." I think that would go a long way to diffuse situations from escalating in to a tit for tat back and forth focusing on literal words rather than maybe the person just stated it poorly or quickly not thinking about or intending to preemptively discuss all the nuances in a simple response.
:) It's a good thing to think about and be aware of I think when engaging people on the internet.
This right here. Many people are actually thinking and forming their opinions on absolutes that days (acab, trump vote=racist, questioning mainstream = conspiracy theorist etc.) and then project that way of blanket thinking onto other people's comments. I've found that any kind of long comment I leave just turns into even longer and longer thread because the other person took one phrase and ran with it, completely missing the overall point of the comment.... Yeah text communication with strangers on the internet is just abysmal.
You nailed it. I wonder if there’s a way to reverse this and help society.
I truly have no idea, especially since these platforms are so nuanced with positives and negatives. Honestly the simplest answer is just for people to talk more in person and for everyone to get the same information.
It would take drastic changes and extreme measures though, things like making it to where journalists are only allowed to post facts and quotes, no opinions, spins, commentary or speculation: just cold facts. Then mandate that any post or article has a comment section. That way everyone is getting the same information and it's up to the individual to decide and form their own opinions.
The news should just be news, like "Today, the pope got a speeding ticket going 70mph in a 45mph. Police report states it was due to medical emergency. We will update once it's concluded it court" that's it, instead these days we get "Today, on the 3rd anniversary of national highway safety day, remembering speeding kills 800 ppl a year, the pope endangered a grandmother and her grandson on the way to the park before receiving a ticket for going nearly double the speed limit. Lil Wayne later slammed him on Twitter calling it "reckless"". And a different news site will talk about how it was "actually a good thing" etc.
But it would be so hard to control, and who ever over sees it would also need to be overseen and so on... But then we'll fall into the same trap where we are now where to where if a big news source posts something most viewers believe it to be true and never look into themselves. And if the check/balances system gets corrupted at some point then we're F'd.
(Also the irony of talking about how bad long comments are and then me writing one, feel free to not respond to this, it was just a random train of thought lol, my free time is over)
Some things are better now some things are better than pretending the in the early internet was some utopia is idiotic and just the usual nostalgia blindness
There are still niche subreddits that can still be useful. If you want random discussion though, yeah it’s gonna get ugly.
It's so censored that you're free to talk about whatever you want lol
I wasn't a fan, but tell that to r/nonewnormal
Uh… believe it or not, most of us are just here to look at, and share memes, and talk to people who can relate to stuff we’re going through or ask peers questions about hobbies/jobs we’re involved in.
Yes but people like you have none of the power.
The people with the power on the internet and that are destroying society are the asshurt masses driven to anger by their stupidity alone. And i'm not singling out just the reddit leftists who have power on this site. Everyone like this regardless of politics is the problem. Gas lighting right wing people who make subs like /r/ActualPublicFreakouts so they can talk shit about black people are also the problem.
None of them should have been allowed on the internet to begin with but mass adoption of home PCs and then cell phones 15 years ago turned the entire thing into idiocracy in just 5 years and it's seeping into daily life at an increasing rate to a point where all politics is basically coming from extremist morons on the internet who otherwise would have too much anxiety and mental disability to ask for ketchup from the hot dog man.
Exactly! I spend my time in AbruptChaos Yourmomshousepodcast and many other places that, guess what, rarely, if ever, make political posts and if they do they are making fun of it.
If Reddit is the only place you’re getting “serious” information from, just wow…like that’s about the dumbest thing I’ve heard of, as a 3+ year consistent user. There is so much whiny discourse about my Freedumbs and Censorship that the idea is just fn comical.
When I see accounts where the only activity is political, I pretty much brush those people off as either bots or people *so one dimensional* that conversation with them is completely pointless because they can’t even imagine that people out there generally aren’t all that interested in talking politics or debating.
If I glance at your profile and there’s nothing but politics on there, I actually feel bad for you, because your life must really suck.
Made a grammar joke yesterday and was immediately called out for grammar policing, which is a point of personal privilege now, apparently.
Looked at their profile and it's 100% political debate. These people scour to argue, it's disheartening to say the least, but you're right. What kind of existence is that? Gotta brush it off I guess
You’re saying this while commenting in a sub named after a podcaster who got paid $100 million this year
So? If the internet was returned to the way it was and society returned to normal Joe Rogan could be never to be seen again for all I care. Small price to pay.
4chan is the real wild west we’re looking for
4chan is just another part of the current internet's cancer.
I think it's funny like you say corpomedia like it's a bad thing. Before the average idiot had a place to spout their stupidity (the internet) and it was just the "corpomedia" things were far better and more tolerable.
Face it. You don't deserve a voice and Bezos having a million times the political power of these people is a good thing.
I cannot wait for total internet censorship and it turning into what Cable TV was. When that day comes we can finally be done with this stupidity.
In a democracy, '*the average idiot*'(!) gets to decide the fate of his nation. In an aristocracy, that fate is decided by some self-serving elite that argues that better them than having '*the average idiot*' making such decisions, and turning their stupidity into law. You, of course, fantasize yourself to be an elite aristocrat. Typically, and it's ironic, it's the least aristocratic, the stupidest and most subservient of the bootlicking useful-idiots that buy into this fantasy most.
Your history shows you are the very thing you hate.
Is nobody going to comment what a shit meme this is? Like u / political would be a user, not a subreddit. You would use r/%Name% to designate a sub.
Epic Fail in execution, the most important part about comedy/being funny.
I agree. I have no idea what the fuck it's even trying to say.
>Like u / political would be a user
That's the point, Captain Doy-Doy. Well done.
>That's the point, Captain Doy-Doy. Well done.
The point is nonsense? To deliberately be incorrect? ok....
Joe talks about politics all the time.
Not one sided biased politics like reddit
Joe is a model American centrist, in that he spends his time criticizing the left while defending the right.
I get that this sub likes to complain about how a lot of posts are political but it’s just representative of what Joe is talking about nowadays. It’s all COVID here because that’s all he talks bout.
someone could make some YouTube money making an abridged version that just cuts out the covid, trans, x city is doing it better than LA talk.
I don't buy that at all, but if that's all you want to hear... so be it.
Still doesn't explain the need to drop trou and slop diarrhea in all the other subs though, does it.
you don't buy what at all? reality?
joe brings up covid/politics on literally every episode.
i've been on this subreddit for 10 years (hold the applause) and before joe delved deep into politics, this subreddit never had a political post on it that anyone gave a shit about.
then joe had bernie on, he's had den crenshaw, tulsie gabbard, mayor adler, wesley hunt, andrew yang, jesse ventura and numerous political pundits multiple times (ben shapiro, david pakman, jimmy dore, kyle kulinski, krystal ball and saagar, tim pool, dave rubin, bill maher, michael malice, abby martin, bari weiss, candace owens...etc), hell he's done election focused podcasts the night of the god damn election!
he used to never discuss politics before the 2016 election. don't believe me? go look up political commentators and politicians lists of the JRE. Jesse Ventura came on October 2016. he was the first politician. first political commentator was scott adams a month later in november. all around the time of trump
the other day he had tom segura on and they were discussing one topic and off the top rope joe jumps in with how terrible biden is and how he's barely holding on. and its this subreddit that is too political? lol cmon dude
>he used to never discuss politics before the 2016 election
Stephan Moleneaux, Anna Kasparian, Cenk Uerghjsre, Abby Martin...
>how terrible biden is and how he's barely holding on.
HE WHAT!?!?! Oh my god, that HORRIBLE man!!
You never remember him shitting on Obama for the drone strikes with Duncan? I certainly don't remember reddit shitting their pants over that.
fair points on anna, cenk and abby but political talk was few and far between early on. now its every single episode regardless of guest
no one is saying joe can't talk about politics, its his show he can and does say whatever he wants, i'm pointing out that your portrayal of the show as non-political is wrong
Wrong its not all hes talking about its all that people clip and talk about from each episode.
So he does talk about it during each episode?
Most episodes ya but depends on the guest. its tough to get around because it affecting everyones life differently. The real issue imo is its such a flashpoint every single post on every site is one side vs the other and theres rarely any actual discourse or thinking from the other persons perspective its just my side is right yours is wrong end of story
Then I don’t get your point. My point was that Joe talks about COVID during 90% of episodes, I didn’t say he talked about nothing else. It shouldn’t be surprising that this sub talks about the same frequent topics that they talk about on the show.
Ok my bad then I thought you meant every episode was 90% covid. We agree and I just made an arse of myself. Ya I just hate how theres hardly civil discussion anymore just vitriol
Hey man all good, you’re no arse. Cheers
Nah, he just like anybody with eyes can see how all these donkeys want to be slaves and how there are other alternatives but since he beat Covid this sub got filled with haters who only can argue from their CNN and Fox news talking points. It's fucking hilarious really!
so anyone with a different opinion to u wants tobe a slave... ok.
rogan also beat covid because hes relativelhy healthy and had monoclonal antibodies, its not exactly a mystery that needs debunking
What does that even mean
And there you are, adding more weight
Doesn't anyone think it's strange how anyone who holds a remotely left-wing belief is "a shill" and regurgitating propaganda, but anyone who holds a remotely right-wing belief is "a free thinker"? Like you can see how that in itself is propaganda, right?
Check out his [history](https://old.reddit.com/user/atrax_blackfisk/submitted/). If anyone was going to accuse someone of being a paid shill, wouldn't it be the one that popped up 14 days ago to push an agenda?
A tale as old as time, really.
What's worse is they probably aren't a paid shill. They are a home grown, free range moron who *actually* believes these things. I can understand and sort of respect someone who gets paid by the GRU or whoever to post this stuff, but I'll never respect anyone who honestly and truly thinks it.
right wingers love politics on the joe rogan sub. as long as it’s what they agree with, if not they just go concern trolling “wHy Is ThIs HeRe?”
Nope, this is pretty much what most of the right has been conditioned to believe. Actually, Murdoch and Limbaugh convinced rural and suburban white people of this in the 80s and 90s, and we're now living alongside those people kids and grandkids, so this way of thinking is even more ingrained.
This should be the top comment
Especially when these same people say our Presidential elections are stolen and have a new talking point every month.
I am continually amazed at the shit that gets upvoted on this website.
Must be really eye-opening to see just how unpopular your own ideas are, huh?
Go team go!
Your post is biased, hypocritical, and overall worthless. Congratulations.
I'm pointing out a bias I see in political discourse, that nobody seems to want to talk about. Not even you, because it probably hits too close to home.
Troll bot farms, bunch of boys who lived thru screens that think they know the world, confirmation bias, willful ignorance and basic tribalism
When Joe Rogan comments on politics, he opens the door to being part of it. He put his opinion out there, but doesn’t want anyone to respond or criticize him.
Joe's show is like 50% political bullshit, mostly misinformed. This is basically the hotdog guy from I think You Should Leave Now trying to avert responsibility
Because reddit user base is mostly from the US. And the US is obsessed with politics, race, etc.
Nah, pretty sure what you’re seeing online is mostly propaganda or the propagandized. In reality, most American towns I’ve experienced get along with each other just fine, good communities and good people, neighbors helping neighbors no matter their race or political persuasion.
I think the US is one of the most propagandized countries, but most Americans don’t realize it yet.
Yeah, most internet comments are made by a tiny fraction of population. When NPR web was shutting down comments in 2016, they released their stats:
*The NPR.org audience has grown dramatically in recent years, to between 25 and 35 million unique visitors each month. But far less than 1% of that audience is commenting, and the number of regular comment participants is even smaller. Only 2,600 people have posted at least one comment in each of the last three months –– 0.003% of the 79.8 million NPR.org users who visited the site during that period.*
(And this is for registered users, not like the numbers are gonna be inflated by bots)
Just going to point out that just because people within towns get along with each other, doesn't mean that there's discord. The tension is between communities (towns, cities, states), not necessarily within them.
Not true in *your* context. The vast majority of America cares about equality, honest people, doing right, etc. What we don’t care about is polarizing figures, sensationalism, propaganda, hate speech, and the cess pool created by indoctrination. That’s what the mass media machine who is controlled by a select handful of people want you to assume as they can make more money. Everything you see in the “news” is just a way to make more money off the plight of a select few by making it seem as a national level model.
Or...now hear me out...a truly democratized source of information seems to lean so far left because that's what the majority of people want to see.
Hey OP why do you side with the Boomers and the Billionaires?
I know the real reason is you've been programmed by right wing propaganda but what's the reason you tell yourself?
Why? Because joe discusses politics on every show, even when his guest will try to steer him away from the topic. Why are Rogan fans so sensitive to other people’s political opinions? We are the intellectual dark web, let’s start acting like it!
>We are the intellectual dark web
Ah fuck off.
This sub is the Super Ball of debate, get out of here if you can’t handle it. We’re having the tough discussions over here.
Nice posting history, bapa
The IDW thing is the most edgelord cuck beta kappa shit that I ever seen.
It's the single saddest display of boomers trying to remain relevant that I have ever witnessed. They wanted so badly to be the conservative leaning intellectual leaders that they forgot the intellectual part. It's hands down proof that economic success has nearly nothing to do with intellectual ability.
I really like different opinions and have friends from all different types of backgrounds with different beliefs, but I see more lies and misrepresentations in here than opinions.
For example, in the recent Rhonda Patrick and Billy Corben episodes, I saw Joe having a cordial conversation with people he’s friends with. The vast majority of comments in here were talking about Joe getting defensive and how much they enjoyed seeing Joe “put in his place.” Also, Joe has said multiple times that the vaccine works and people should get vaccinated, but the narrative in here is he’s telling people to take horse dewormer instead of getting vaccinated.!
>Also, Joe has said multiple times that the vaccine works and people should get vaccinated,
* [Joe Rogan’s Not Sure Why Younger, Healthy People Should Get Covid-19 Vaccines](https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/05/02/joe-rogan-asks-why-younger-healthy-people-should-get-covid-19-vaccines-heres-why/?sh=26aaee6e68d8)
>“I’ve said, yeah, I think for the most part it's safe to get vaccinated. I do. I do. But if you're like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I'll go no.”
Was Joe vaccinated? Nope. If Joe really believes the vaccine is safe, why wouldn't he get vaccinated? You are being conned. He's playing both sides, but his **actions** speak the truth.
>but the narrative in here is he’s telling people to take horse dewormer instead of getting vaccinated.!
No. The narrative by those criticizing Joe like myself, is what a bunch of bullshit his whole skepticism, cynicism, really is. He railed on California's pandemic policies to keep people safe. What did he do when he thought he might have COVID? He isolated himself from his family. Why would Joe say California's policies to keep people safe are bullshit, and then quarantine and isolate himself from his family? His Kids are young right? So they should be fine, so fine they don't need the vaccine, right?
He has downplayed this virus and the pandemic at every turn. Talking shit about everything logical and rational, while pushing bullshit. Yet when it came to him getting the virus, a virus he could've been vaccinated against, a vaccine he believes is safe, he betrayed all those skepticisms and criticisms. When it's his life on the line, his family's life and well being on the line, he did exactly what the CDC recommends. Then he threw a kitchen sink of unproven and experimental drugs in to his system. Yet he totally believes the vaccines is safe, and he didn't get it because... he's too poor? He can test himself and all of his guests for COVID for a year and half, but can't get the vaccine.
It's all bullshit man. Look at his actions and compare them to his words you'll see it's bullshit and contradiction. It's a grift, a con, he's not saying what he truly believes.
* [JRE Episode 1439 : March 10th 2020 : Doctor Michael Osterholm on Saunas](https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg4c3z/gotta_get_a_hotter_suana_next_time/)
* [JRE Episode 1474 : May 14th 2020 : Dr. Rhonda Patrick more Sauna bullshit](https://old.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/gjsnru/joe_rogan_experience_1474_dr_rhonda_patrick/)
He was told and it was explained in terms a small child could understand why Saunas were bullshit, by someone vastly more qualified and educated than him. And it was a few weeks later after the Osterholm episode that he was back to pushing Saunas and Heat Shock Proteins.
I really do appreciate the well thought out comment. I’ve already had back and forth similar to this and don’t feel like typing it all out again on mobile.
To the first point about young people: Rogan clarified what he was trying to say in the next episode after Fauci criticized him. He wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be vaccinated.
I just see the rest of what you say differently. You are obviously (to me) not the kind of person I was talking about in my comment you responded to because of how well thought out your comment is. I think it just comes down us having different opinions.
For what it’s worth, I’m vaccinated, voted for Biden, and have never thought anything on the show tried to convince me of anything
>Rogan clarified what he was trying to say in the next episode after Fauci criticized him. He wasn’t saying they shouldn’t be vaccinated.
Right, I listened to that back peddle as well. But consider for a minute that this is all part of managing his business and public relations. Doesn't it make sense that what he said the first time is the truth, and what he says the second time him trying to diffuse criticism and controversy and cover up what he really feels to be true? Because what he says the first time is indisputably advising against the vaccine as his personal opinion.
Like I said, look at his actions. If he truly believed the vaccine was safe and necessary, he would have got it, right? I mean he could test himself and guests for a year and half, but he couldn't get a free vaccine? A vaccine he supposedly believes is safe and necessary?
It's because he doesn't believe in the vaccine. He won't say that because he knows if his true feelings and opinions came out he would be ostracized by society for having such stupid views. If that isn't his true feelings, then it's all grift. But I imagine he would've been vaccinated if he really believed in the vaccine and the dangers of COVID.
>For what it’s worth, I’m vaccinated, voted for Biden, and have never thought anything on the show tried to convince me of anything
And I'm not judging you. I just don't think defending Joe is balanced to the reality. Playing in to this narrative that we think Joe believes Ivermectin is the solution to COVID. I don't really believe he does. I believe he thinks "it's entirely possible" though. :)
For me it's the fact he was expressing skepticism and cynicism about rational and logical approaches to fighting the Pandemic while hundreds and thousands were dying every day. You take that knowledge, wrap it in with his skepticism, cynicism, criticisms etc... and compare his actions when it's his life and well being at stake and it's hard to look past something like that without some sort of anger and resentment.
That's just me though.
That's a nice wall of text, isn't it.
> For example, in the recent Rhonda Patrick and Billy Corben episodes, I saw Joe having a cordial conversation with people he’s friends with.
Were we watching the same Rhonda Patrick episode? Joe demanded that she provide a laundry list of facts and figures to back up every statement she made, and his retorts were little more than "Well I know a guy who..." Something he never does with guests whose positions and ideas align with him. When did he grill Tim Pool or Ben Shapiro or Alex fucking Jones the way he grilled her?
Apparently not, just like I thought I watched a different episode than the majority of commenters in that thread. If they didn’t know each other so well, I could see an argument for that. I think Rogan’s more comfortable with Patrick because they’ve had multiple conversations around health, and he can be more direct because they know each other. I didn’t see it as a “grilling” at all. He let her speak for the vast majority of her points surrounding covid.
You lost me with the last sentence. I didn’t watch the Tim Pool episode, but I’m starting to think I should because most people here talk shit about him, making me think he might be credible. Rogan is open about how he doesn’t agree with Shapiro on almost everything, and he countered Jones on his last appearance so much it stopped the flow that makes the show interesting.
> I didn’t watch the Tim Pool episode, but I’m starting to think I should because most people here talk shit about him, making me think he might be credible.
This really says a lot about your mindset lmao
And that upsets you? lol
I wouldn’t say upsets but I’m not really a fan of dishonest discussion
It’s just how other people see the world, you want it to be dishonest because it upsets you.
Are you seriously trying to tell me what’s going on in my brain? Textbook gaslighting and perfect example of the dishonesty I was referring to earlier.
"i like honest discussion"
*immediately claims their being gaslit in the next comment*
It’s obvious to me by the rest of that person’s comments, they are trolling. That’s the first time I’ve ever mentioned that word on here because of how it is normally misused, but them trying to tell me what I’m thinking is textbook gaslighting.
That person was clearly trying to get a reaction from me, and I think I explained that pretty clearly in my other comments
I have an associates degree in psychology from my local community college so I think I’m qualified to analyze you.
Kind of silly how many people thought it wasn’t a joke, right? Bunch o’ tards
To be fair, it can be difficult to read tone through text, but yeah once I thought about it for a second I got it. That said, there’s gotta be some people on the internet that would type what you did legitimately lol. Craaaazy man.
Thank you for being the perfect example of what I’m talking about, and it’s starting to get pretty predictable. You claimed people are sensitive over different political opinions. I claimed there seems to be more dishonesty than opinions. Then, you come with insult, gaslighting, and deflection with a lame “joke.”
Checks history… active in r/thefighterandthekid, r/news, and r/politics to the surprise of no one. This act is getting old
It’s not an insult or a joke. I’m here for the intellectual discussion. Our sub has the best brains.
I have a bachelors in psych. Your opinion, not fact, is shit.
That sucks. Should have picked a better major.
Lol holy fuck bro hit with the I'm qualified to analyze you ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm) \#quityourbullshit.
That joke really flew over your head lol
I wished he was.
He responded with
>bet you dont even have a degree.
So of course I just ignored it like a rational human being and
Edit* annnnd silence, ya broke bitch
What a guy.
And fyi you can get a psychology degree at community college so if that's isnt the joke then yea it flew over my head.
Well sure, you ever get a two year degree from community college? Doubt it, now let me do my work without your dumb commentary. This is serious
I'd get my money back they should have tought you that being a pompous dickface doesnt make you sound serious or intelligent it makes you sound like you have an inferiority complex bet you dont even have a degree.
This didn’t start happening on a large scale until the Clinton/Trump election. All of a sudden, api usage was purchased by contracting companies belonging to political parties. This led to an amazing amount of political themes rising to the front page, and has largely poisoned the most popular communities
Get vaccinated you nerd
Overseas bot accounts and domestic media-influence consulting firms.
Pretty much the same crowd with the same agenda.
Tell everyone how much of a victom you are.
Yuuge victim, feels like he’s being oppressed
Because reddit is trash and let's the content people see be manipulated by up votes and downvotes
Gets pretty annoying but easily ignored idk why people try so hard to get their point acrossed politically in so many different subs that are suppose to be an outlet mostly for entertainment. There are specific subs for that shit but self righteous a holes gotta be a holes and shit on everything without any self awareness. Notice in real life when these characters act like that in they get called Karen's. They act all Surprised "but the internet is on my side (I talk in a vacuum and think its reality)" guess what in real life most people dont give a fuck cus we know politics are rigged currupt manipulative and bullshit. we just want to chill have a good time without our heads up our own asses crying over shit we know we cant change by bitching.
This post is destined to defend orange clown Drumpf
Download Apollo. Filter the front page. You’re welcome
Politics have seeped into everything
Everything has always been political--the only thing that varies is when people finally realize it.
Those old sayings like never talk about politics and money also had an unspoken component--just leave that stuff to us to take care of ok? :)
I don't see this at all. Probibly because I don't go hunting for it or get up on a soap box to declare my political views then get mad when others respond in kind.
Does Joe not bring politics into his show? Am I missing something?
Are you triggered? You seem triggered.
Its annoying even the communities i joined to see funny shit makes it political. I wanna look at jokes sometimes. Not hear ur hate for whatever political party u dont like.
This post is a complete self-own and I love it.
Because Reddit has “optimized” it that way.
**EVERYONE FORGOT THE FIRST RULE OF THE INTERNET...** i blame the boomers...
So many people identify only as their "politics". They have nothing else to do in their life. It consumes and they become weird npcs unable to think. /politics is such an echo chamber that they now have to branch out with their robot statements.
The worst part is that so many of them are so unhappy and aggressive.
Because China owns the site and they enjoy the discord and viewpoints they encourage